Obama paid the Iranians Ransom Money?
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And Bush did orcastrate the largest mass murder in US history so he can put us in a neverending War on Terror.
Obama is no different than any other US president, only thing is he got caught
Obama is no different than any other US president, only thing is he got caught
Remember the Iran-Contra Deal??
Hell do you remember us taking in Nazis and giving them new names and Asylum in this country?
We have been helping Terrorist and Dictators that align with our agenda for Years!!!!
Hell we armed both sides of the Iran-Iraq war
Hell we armed both sides of the Iran-Iraq war
Look at US policy in Latin America, We arm the Drug Cartels and give them free access all over the border to flood our country with drugs while they kill off each other from guns from our country. You know those "Buy back guns programs" all over this country. Yea those guns get sent to Mexico and Central America where Guns and Gun manufacturing is illegal.
It was THEIR money. We didn't GIVE it to them. We OWED it to them from like the 70's.
You're still a trumpkin.
How do you propose to reply to stuff like "Never. F*ck 'em, and f*ck the Hague."? With more trump language and concepts?
Here you go extra.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us...g-freed/ar-BBvKa6w?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
Look back through the thread for where you said the one hostage had to be lying because he was in Geneva and couldn't have known when a plane landed in Iran.
Oh, and it wasn't a ransom payment, it just required the release of the hostages in order to be made. That makes sense.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us...g-freed/ar-BBvKa6w?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
Look back through the thread for where you said the one hostage had to be lying because he was in Geneva and couldn't have known when a plane landed in Iran.
Oh, and it wasn't a ransom payment, it just required the release of the hostages in order to be made. That makes sense.
So when did it become "their money"? Was it not their money during all those previous administrations? If it was, what changed that required it be given to them on precisely the day they release hostages?
Backing up a WSJ piece yesterday, the AP is now reporting the following:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-08-18-15-49-33
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The State Department says a $400 million cash payment to Iran was contingent on the release of American prisoners.
Spokesman John Kirby says negotiations over the United States' returning Iranian money from a decades-old account was conducted separately from the prisoner talks. But he says the U.S. withheld delivery of the cash as leverage until the U.S. citizens had left Iran.
Spokesman John Kirby says negotiations over the United States' returning Iranian money from a decades-old account was conducted separately from the prisoner talks. But he says the U.S. withheld delivery of the cash as leverage until the U.S. citizens had left Iran.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-08-18-15-49-33
"We will give you the $400MM if you release our prisoners, but this is not a payment for the release of the prisoners. Got it?", Obama.
I have re-read this response a few times and chuckle each time. Obviously you do not realize how pathetic Hellary is? Your candidate looked the mothers and fathers in the eye, only a few short feet from the caskets holding their dead loved ones, and LIED to them because of Politics. But hey, as long as there are more SHEEP than informed voters, she will likely stay in office.
I didn't say any hostage was lying. I said that the hostage had as a source a guard of some sort who probably didn't know what was going on. I said the money was paid after the hostages were released. All of that was verified, again, in the article you linked.
Do you actually believe the crap you type or are you damned to the life of the contrarian? I simply refuse to believe that any normal person who grew up in Appalachia, where a man's word has always meant something, can be as intellectually dishonest as you are. Does the truth matter to you at all?
Here are the statements I made. If I've missed one, bring it. Which are you contesting?...........
1, The 400m was paid AFTER the prisoner exchange.
2, Although the police told him they were waiting on a plane, Saeed stated he did not see or hear another plane while waiting.
3. He has only the iranian policeman as a source for the 2nd plane, and Saeed has stated he did not see nor hear another plane while waiting.
4, It was THEIR money. We didn't GIVE it to them. We OWED it to them from like the 70's.
Extra do you concede that Iran receiving the money was contingent on them releasing American prisoners?
How about the combination of these two comments. We now know the second plane did have cash in it and we know it was concurrent with the release of the prisoners.
Really, it's okay to acknowledge the truth.
i have more meaningful debates with my 3 year old...
even he understands 1+1 = 2...
even he understands 1+1 = 2...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...million-payment-iran-was-contingent-prisoner-
another day another lie by Obama/clinton
another day another lie by Obama/clinton
He wont answer this. Once hes backed into a corner, he either (1) ignores the thread, or (2) builds a straw man. 0% chance you get a yes or no answer.
"We now know the second plane did have cash in it"
AND IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IT WAS, AN ASSUMPTION. AND WE NOW KNOW THAT THE HOSTAGES WERE NOT WAITING ON A PLANE BEFORE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
"we know it was concurrent with the release of the prisoners"
THE MONEY WAS RELEASED AFTER THE PLANE HOLDING THE HOSTAGES WAS IN THE AIR.
Next...........
The ONLY meaningful debates you've had were with 3 year olds, and they had to dumb down the conversation to reach your level.
Yes, and the prisoners were in the air before the iranians took control of the money. So, it's not "paying ransom".
If I possess $400 million of YOUR money, and you have my friends as prisoners, and I tell you that you must release my friends before you get YOUR money, who exactly is holding the ransom?
Your blindness to protect "your side" is embarrassing. Your analogy is wrong. It should be, if I had your money and you had my friends and I was required to drive the money to your house and park in your garage before they would be set free, is it a ransom?
We took the money to them while they still had the hostages. We landed the plane with the money while they still had the hostages. We said here's your money, now release the hostages and we will let you offload the money and take it with you. It's just like every movie you see, two cars parked on opposite ends of a bridge, you meet in the middle of the bridge and exchange the money for the hostage.
We took the money to them while they still had the hostages. We landed the plane with the money while they still had the hostages. We said here's your money, now release the hostages and we will let you offload the money and take it with you. It's just like every movie you see, two cars parked on opposite ends of a bridge, you meet in the middle of the bridge and exchange the money for the hostage.
Extra it was a ransom payment. Iran wouldn't have released the prisoners unless we coughed up the cash. Timing is irrelevant.
The problem is you don't read what's said in your own links:
"U.S. officials wouldn’t let Iranians take control of the money until a Swiss Air Force plane carrying three freed Americans departed from Tehran on Jan. 17, the officials said. Once that happened, an Iranian cargo plane was allowed to bring the cash back from a Geneva airport that day
