chuckled when I read this. The dupes hear "free" and jump to stand in line not realizing that they actually will be paying for it.
community college will be "free"......not
community college will be "free"......not
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Nice Raleigh. I knew you were eluding to certain types without directly mentioning namesOriginally posted by raleighherdfan:
I could write a speech on the man's contraD[/B]icT[/B]ory stA[/B]te of the union speech claims but afteR 6 years of witnessing such poor leaDership and intentional class warfare only the dumbest of Obama voter would still deny what would be explained and simply resort to complaining about the length of such a rebuttal.
And in almost all cases, the sitting President would abide by the Constitution after his policies were rejected by Congress. However, not this one. That is why we have to give a fvxk!Originally posted by Raoul Duke MU:
Why give a fvxk? None of this stuff will pass Congress anyway.
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Dow's doing great. 10 year is still below 2% though & finished down at last check. Wish the tax rate on middle Americans would be lower so they could contribute more of their income toward investments. Last report I read said more businesses are closing than opening. Middle class is shrinking. The number of Americans who have completely given up looking for a job is sky high, which is contributing to an artificially low unemployment number (given how it's being calculated isn't even close to the real unemployment number & everybody knows it), and the unemployment rate for minorities is catastrophically high. Given the push to welcome illegal immigrants, the middle class is only going to get hurt worse. Mortgage rates are still low, although the government's INSANE ever-changing requirements which allows them to force lenders to buy back loans makes lending money far harder than it has to be (the lender has to be tough to protect themselves from a government that is considered to be schizophrenic in this area.) I can name two small lenders just in Charleston off hand that are completely getting out of the business.Originally posted by riflearm2:
How does the economy, unemployment rate, Dow, mortgage rates, etc. look now compared with our last republican president?
What does that have to do with taking away the advantage of a 529 account?Originally posted by riflearm2:
How does the economy, unemployment rate, Dow, mortgage rates, etc. look now compared with our last republican president?
How many more people are on welfare now? How many people area underemployed or have left the workforce? How is the middle class doing now? How are healthcare cost? Go in a office and ask about their premiums and see what happens? How is the cost of college now?Originally posted by riflearm2:
How does the economy, unemployment rate, Dow, mortgage rates, etc. look now compared with our last republican president?
More people on food stamps now than ever, 90+ million working age people out of work (and increasing), Debt Trillions more now than just 6 years ago, a current president that brags about the best economy since the 90's and stock market performance one minute and then complains the rich are the only ones benefitting and needing to pay more ("income disparity"...."wealthy only benefitting"......"middle class are desperate") the next.Originally posted by riflearm2:
How does the economy, unemployment rate, Dow, mortgage rates, etc. look now compared with our last republican president?
Rifle, these are GREAT questions actually. I have argued that there is not much difference in economic policies of the two. Bush was a big spender, Obama is even worse. What we have witnessed, on a macro level is a complete business cycle. However, when you dig into the numbers, even though the standard metrics looks better, they really are not.Originally posted by riflearm2:
How does the economy, unemployment rate, Dow, mortgage rates, etc. look now compared with our last republican president?
I've pretty much been an Obama apologist.....Hell I'm mostly a Presidential apologist. It's a tough job and they get way too much of the blame.Originally posted by dave:
People saved pre-tax dollars for their kids educations under the promise they could take it out tax free to help pay for that education later. If someone had saved the average of 21k for their kids education and all of the sudden the government just decides that whole tax free part was just a big joke, how is that not a massive breach of trust, if not contract?
If this goes into effect (which I think it won't) would it affect dollars already put in or only new money?Originally posted by dave:
People saved pre-tax dollars for their kids educations under the promise they could take it out tax free to help pay for that education later. If someone had saved the average of 21k for their kids education and all of the sudden the government just decides that whole tax free part was just a big joke, how is that not a massive breach of trust, if not contract?
It is damn near an act of war.Originally posted by dave:
People saved pre-tax dollars for their kids educations under the promise they could take it out tax free to help pay for that education later. If someone had saved the average of 21k for their kids education and all of the sudden the government just decides that whole tax free part was just a big joke, how is that not a massive breach of trust, if not contract?
I thought a 529 was similar to a ROTH in the sense that it is post tax with all earnings being tax free.Originally posted by dave:
People saved pre-tax dollars for their kids educations under the promise they could take it out tax free to help pay for that education later. If someone had saved the average of 21k for their kids education and all of the sudden the government just decides that whole tax free part was just a big joke, how is that not a massive breach of trust, if not contract?