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Serial Season 2 - Bergdahl

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Anyone listening to this podcast? So far it's been great I think.

I think admittedly it will put Bergdahl in a bit of a sympathetic light, but it's still a great listen.

Would love to hear the thoughts of the military guys on the board regarding this. I thought my 30-hour no sleep hospital on call nights were rough, but the stuff they (the military guys looking for him) went through when they ramped up the search for him is mind boggling to me. The mental and physical fortitude to survive that is beyond anything I've ever come close to experiencing.
 
I have no respect for Berghdal or Obama for parading his parents around like their son was a hero. The military went through countless efforts to find him after he walked away. Men lost their lives for him. What he did was despicable. I heard some stories about guys looking for him and he was a top priority all the way up. His own soldiers he served with lost lives looking for him. An entire squad was killed looking for him.

Just my opinion.
 
I have no respect for Berghdal or Obama for parading his parents around like their son was a hero. The military went through countless efforts to find him after he walked away. Men lost their lives for him. What he did was despicable. I heard some stories about guys looking for him and he was a top priority all the way up. His own soldiers he served with lost lives looking for him. An entire squad was killed looking for him.

Just my opinion.

Thanks for the input. I don't know this case that well, so I'm really enjoying the Serial podcast so far.

My opinion so far (subject to change): It seems like he was a dumb kid that made a really stupid decision, albeit one he had contemplated and decided consciously to make. However, in the military you can't make dumb decisions like that. You don't have the same luxuries that a civilian college kid has when he decides to make stupid decisions. It's one of the reasons I have respect for the military people - the stakes are higher and they accept that risk and 99% of them perform admirably knowing those stakes and risks and the lack of forgiveness. So I think he should be punished. I don't think life in prison, but probably a half dozen years or so. Like Herdman says, he put people in grave danger and did so purposefully and with pre-meditation, and that means something to me. I don't think he's a terrorist sympathizer, though.
 
I have no respect for Berghdal or Obama for parading his parents around like their son was a hero. The military went through countless efforts to find him after he walked away. Men lost their lives for him. What he did was despicable. I heard some stories about guys looking for him and he was a top priority all the way up. His own soldiers he served with lost lives looking for him. An entire squad was killed looking for him.

Just my opinion.

Per Serial, those "stories" have absolutely been confirmed as fact in their reporting. It sounds crazy - tons of units mobilized, guys going 16 days working nearly around the clock with minimal sleep, marching in their own diarrhea covered pants, walking into booby-trapped compounds, doing unsafe search missions with like hours of prep (instead of days/weeks), eating MRE's for weeks on end. Sounds awful.
 
Per Serial, those "stories" have absolutely been confirmed as fact in their reporting. It sounds crazy - tons of units mobilized, guys going 16 days working nearly around the clock with minimal sleep, marching in their own diarrhea covered pants, walking into booby-trapped compounds, doing unsafe search missions with like hours of prep (instead of days/weeks), eating MRE's for weeks on end. Sounds awful.

When I say at the top, I mean elite units were looking for him along with his own unit and other units. Hell, they had an whole Airborne Infantry Battallion who's mission became looking for him. Among others, I am talking the top units were looking for him and you can figure that out.

He knew better. I am not buying he was the young kid who made a mistake. Drinking too much and getting busted is a youthful mistake. Leaving your weapon behind is bad enough(and every soldier knows better). Walking off from your compound is desertion.

Frankly, he is lucky this is the year 2015 and the White House is putting pressure on as to not draw attention to the issue. Eisenhower probably would have had him executed by firing squad during WW2.

His comrades were doing the things you mentioned trying to find their brother. He should go to jail for a long time.
 
When I say at the top, I mean elite units were looking for him along with his own unit and other units. Hell, they had an whole Airborne Infantry Battallion who's mission became looking for him. Among others, I am talking the top units were looking for him and you can figure that out.

He knew better. I am not buying he was the young kid who made a mistake. Drinking too much and getting busted is a youthful mistake. Leaving your weapon behind is bad enough(and every soldier knows better). Walking off from your compound is desertion.

Frankly, he is lucky this is the year 2015 and the White House is putting pressure on as to not draw attention to the issue. Eisenhower probably would have had him executed by firing squad during WW2.

His comrades were doing the things you mentioned trying to find their brother. He should go to jail for a long time.

Should be at least life in prison. Men died because of his decision. He was ultimately responsible.
 
Some people have implied that some of these deaths weren't really due to Bergdahl, but like I said, I have no baseline real knowledge of the situation and am just letting the Serial story play out (more for my commute/entertainment than to make any judgements).

Mistakes in the military probably get people killed all the time. Just like when doctors make mistakes sometimes people die. But like Herdman says, what bothers me is how "he knew better" and this was a calculated decision. Even Bergdahl admits he thought it out at the time, though he now sees how monumentally stupid it was.
 
Every death and every casualty was absolutely a direct result of Bergdahl. Those units and teams were redirected from their mission for the S&R op. They ran on shitty intel and half assed conops. Everything was rushed, there was very thin air support, zero QRF. Guys were just rushing from one vil to another chasing, mostly false, intel. The fact we didn't get chewed up more is the perfect example of how professional our warriors actually are.

Fvck Bergdahl and his jihad sympathizing asshole dad.
 
Honestly the thing that amazes me the most about this whole deal was the way Obama paraded his parents around and put them on tv and so forth. Ok, you got the guy back. But, you know there are circumstances around his disappearance and men lost their lives looking for him, but you do this?
 
Honestly the thing that amazes me the most about this whole deal was the way Obama paraded his parents around and put them on tv and so forth. Ok, you got the guy back. But, you know there are circumstances around his disappearance and men lost their lives looking for him, but you do this?

Getting him back and quietly putting him on trial would have been the right thing to do. I just don't know how you screw up so badly by saying he served with honor and distinction. The Admin went out of their way to push that agenda. Why would you ever do that, and how could they not know it wouldn't bite them in the ass?
 
Honestly the thing that amazes me the most about this whole deal was the way Obama paraded his parents around and put them on tv and so forth. Ok, you got the guy back. But, you know there are circumstances around his disappearance and men lost their lives looking for him, but you do this?

Agreed. Was an odd, dumb move.
 
One of the strangest things I have ever seen a US president do.
Not having a son, I'm willing to let the dad's behavior slide - regardless of the circumstances, having a son get captured & held hostage would do psychological damage to just about anybody.

But for the President to do this when all available information pointed to the fact the kid was a deserter, that our troops lives were put in jeopardy looking for him, that he did not serve with "honor & distinction" as the administration stated, that we traded 5 terrorists for who have knowingly been in contact with the insurgency (their travel ban has been acknowledged to have been violated as everyone expected - who would have suspected that terrorists would disobey laws?), & that Bergdahl is now facing a court marshal for his actions, proves to me Obama is detached from reality. They really didn't expect backlash from this. Let alone from members of his own party.

And for as much as Obama preaches that Gitmo provides insurgents with PR material to recruit, the video of Bergdahl being swapped went viral all over the planet & it's popularity crashed several Taliban sites. Even the NYTimes reported that the administration's actions undercut the government's role & allowed the Taliban to be seen on a much more substantial footing.
 
Not having a son, I'm willing to let the dad's behavior slide - regardless of the circumstances, having a son get captured & held hostage would do psychological damage to just about anybody.

But for the President to do this when all available information pointed to the fact the kid was a deserter, that our troops lives were put in jeopardy looking for him, that he did not serve with "honor & distinction" as the administration stated, that we traded 5 terrorists for who have knowingly been in contact with the insurgency (their travel ban has been acknowledged to have been violated as everyone expected - who would have suspected that terrorists would disobey laws?), & that Bergdahl is now facing a court marshal for his actions, proves to me Obama is detached from reality. They really didn't expect backlash from this. Let alone from members of his own party.

And for as much as Obama preaches that Gitmo provides insurgents with PR material to recruit, the video of Bergdahl being swapped went viral all over the planet & it's popularity crashed several Taliban sites. Even the NYTimes reported that the administration's actions undercut the government's role & allowed the Taliban to be seen on a much more substantial footing.

I thought the same thing - I have a son, and I would stand by him even if what he did was like Bergdahl. I don't blame the dad one bit.

But for the President to do that it was certainly odd and wrong, IMO.
 
The problem is his dad is a radical muslim sympathizer. Here are some of his words:

“I am still working to free all Guantanamo Bay prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, amen!”

“Democracy is a cult in the West” (and went on to defend sharia law.)

He has a favorite list on youtube: “Why the World Hates America.”, “American terrorist government!”,“Great Satan,” the United States made by the taliban

Oh, and don't forget his Arabic prayer after the release of his son.

In summary, his dad is a piece of crap like his son.
 
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The problem is his dad is a radical muslim sympathizer. Here are some of his words:

“I am still working to free all Guantanamo Bay prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, amen!”

“Democracy is a cult in the West” (and went on to defend sharia law.)

He has a favorite list on youtube: “Why the World Hates America.”, “American terrorist government!”,“Great Satan,” the United States made by the taliban

Oh, and don't forget his Arabic prayer after the release of his son.

In summary, his dad is a piece of crap like his son.

I didn't know that. I just meant him literally standing by him and proud to have his son home at those press conferences.
 
The problem is his dad is a radical muslim sympathizer. Here are some of his words:

“I am still working to free all Guantanamo Bay prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, amen!”

“Democracy is a cult in the West” (and went on to defend sharia law.)

He has a favorite list on youtube: “Why the World Hates America.”, “American terrorist government!”,“Great Satan,” the United States made by the taliban

Oh, and don't forget his Arabic prayer after the release of his son.

In summary, his dad is a piece of crap like his son.

You have a credible link for this ?
 
I didn't know that. I just meant him literally standing by him and proud to have his son home at those press conferences.
The dad is on Twitter & I'm lead to believe it's really him - the NYTimes has referenced the account as his. The story I'm linking to also goes into detail about some of his inflammatory tweets. Herdman, I don't want it to seem like I'm defending him & my use "let it slide" was maybe a little liberal. I think of him like I do Cindy Sheehan. Unstable parent exploited for political gain. Obviously I think he should be watched like a hawk but at this particular moment I don't know how worried we should be about him. But hell, with this administration, they celebrated him in the damn rose garden. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-bob-bergdahls-apparent-tweet-to-the-taliban/
 
You have a credible link for this ?
see wisemania's post. I am not getting a typical extragreen link service anymore. You have google, yahoo search, or another major search engine. Wisemania has provide an article in his post. You can easily find others. If you are not familiar with search engines please use one of the following.

www.google.com
www.yahoo.com
 
For extragreen, since he is mentally retarded and the biggest old pain in the ass on this forum or perhaps the internet.

It is the last time I do this, you old pain in the ass.

Here you go:


From syracuse.com

www.http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/06/sgt_bowe_bergdahls_father_tweets_controversial_message_at_pro-taliban_group.html




Former prisoner of war Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's father, Bob Bergdahl, is under fire for remarks made on Twitter in the days leading up to his son's controversial release.

According to the New York Daily News, Bob Bergdhalestablished a dialogue with the Taliban online in order to ensure his son's safety.

Three days before Bowe's rescue, Bob tweeted:

"I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen."
The tweet was deleted, but not before other users were able to take screenshots showing that it was directed to @ABalkhi, the Twitter handle for Abdulqahar Balkhi, a website claiming to be the "Voice of Jihad." The site posts updates on the Mujahideen's operations against "American invaders," "U.S. terrorists," and their Afghan "puppets," according to the Daily News.

A previous tweet from Bergdahl in March saying, "'Democracy' is a cult in in the West," has also raised some eyebrows, according to the Daily Mail.

At a White House press conference announcing his son's release, Bob Bergdahl sported a bushy beard that he has not trimmed since his son went missing in 2009, spoke Pashto, Afghanistan's main language, and a few words of Arabic.

Bergdahl's former pastor Bob Henley said the man had become an anti-war campaigner since his son's capture. He has studied radical Islamic politics in order to better understand Bowe's captors, according to the Daily Mail.

A senior White House official called the tweet from Bob Bergdahl irrelevant, telling the Daily News, "Our sacred obligation to bring home our service members is rock solid. No tweet could ever affect that."

But some conservative activists have called Bob Bergdahl's loyalties into question.

"Folks, this is either a very bad case of Stockholm Syndrome or something far more nefarious is at stake," wrote former Republican Congressman Allen West. He called the tweet from Bergdahl a "smoking gun."

"He was trying to understand," said Henley. "It's not a question of agreeing with people. It's a question, from his point of view, of trying to understand where they may be coming from."

In a video from The Guardian, Bergdahl said, "I don't work for the military. I don't work for the government. I don't represent the American people. I'm a father who wants his son back."

The exchange of Bowe Bergdahl for five Afghan prisoners detained in Guantanamo Bay was already a controversial decision.

A 2010 investigation by the Pentagon found that Bergdahl left his unit, believing he could help the Afghan people by leaving his post, according to the Daily News.

Six soldiers died during the search for Bergdahl before the military decided to negotiate for his release.

Sgt. Evan Buetow and others involved in the search for Bergdahl did not think highly of their fellow soldier.

"He's not a great person or great example of a solider," Buetow, now a sheriff's deputy in Washington state, told the Daily News. "He deserted his men, put us in danger so he could find the Taliban. And several soldiers died looking for him in the weeks and months to follow."

President Barack Obama has faced backlash and criticism over the exchange.

Republicans in Congress complained that they were not given the legally required 30 days notice prior to a prisoner release from Guantanamo Bay. The administration explained that Bergdahl's safety was at stake.

Others, like New York Daily News columnist Mike Lupica, have criticized the precedent set by the exchange.

"If we make a deal like this to bring Bergdahl home, how many bad guys get their ticket out of Guantanamo punched the next time the Taliban grabs one of ours?" Lupica wrote.

What do you think of Bowe Bergdahl's release and his father's controversial tweets? Leave a comment below.
 
Bergdahls dad is a pious Presbyterian who has a duck dynasty beard and loves his son. Sounds un-american to me.
 
Bergdahls dad is a pious Presbyterian who has a duck dynasty beard and loves his son. Sounds un-american to me.

He is, just like his son who should be shot and I honestly mean he son should be shot by a firing squad. But being the merciful people we are he can rot in a prison cell for a long time. How would you like to be a parent of a solider that died looking for him? How would you like to be the parent of someone else who was killed because other forces were pulled away to look for him? How would you like to be his commanding officer wondering where his man went? People died looking for this guy. If he didn't want to be there he could have shot himself in the foot. And, nobody other him would have got hurt.
 
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I doubt you ever have to serve on jury duty. You've got all the facts before the trial starts.
 
I doubt you ever have to serve on jury duty. You've got all the facts before the trial starts.

So tell me what he is not guilty of? LMAO.

Obama tried to protect this clown for some reason. Most presidents would have said what a traitor.

What exactly was this clown's excuse for doing what he did?
 
Did he or did he not leave his post? And Carl thanks for bringing this podcast to my attention I've only had time to listen to first episode so far but can't wait for the rest

An Iraq/Afghan veteran commits suicide every day. Bergdahl volunteered to enlist to serve this country. I don't know what goes through his head. Like I said, I'll wait for the trial. You patriots go ahead and be the judge, jury, and executioner.
 
An Iraq/Afghan veteran commits suicide every day. Bergdahl volunteered to enlist to serve this country. I don't know what goes through his head. Like I said, I'll wait for the trial. You patriots go ahead and be the judge, jury, and executioner.
and suicide has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about. I didn't ask you what went through his head because it doesn't matter. All I asked was did he or did he not leave his post? A simple yes or no will suffice
 
I didn't know that. I just meant him literally standing by him and proud to have his son home at those press conferences.

I would be embarrassed for my son. Berghal did not serve in honor or courage. Nevertheless I would love my son and plan to visit him in prison.
 
6 brave soldiers died and a few were injured for a deserter. Our Pres releases terrorist to get him back- par for the course, next thing you know Obama will give him a medal for trying to help the Muslims.
 
and suicide has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about. I didn't ask you what went through his head because it doesn't matter. All I asked was did he or did he not leave his post? A simple yes or no will suffice

As far as I know, yes, he left his post. And yes, it does matter what goes through his head. My point is that with one suicide per day, there must be something going through their minds that affect their ability to cope. And so, I am not willing at this time to throw someone under the bus who voluntarily enlisted to fight for this country. But you go ahead and do the throwing if you like.
 
6 brave soldiers died and a few were injured for a deserter. Our Pres releases terrorist to get him back- par for the course, next thing you know Obama will give him a medal for trying to help the Muslims.

Several thousand brave soldiers have died because of a totally unnecessary war. Get off the high horse.
 
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Several thousand brave soldiers have died because of a totally unnecessary war. Get off the high horse.
sorry i didnt get the memo that said it was an unnecessary war. Guess we should set back and let Al Qaeda fly a few more planes into our office towers
 
As far as I know, yes, he left his post. And yes, it does matter what goes through his head. My point is that with one suicide per day, there must be something going through their minds that affect their ability to cope. And so, I am not willing at this time to throw someone under the bus who voluntarily enlisted to fight for this country. But you go ahead and do the throwing if you like.

Do you do understand leaving your post breaks your first General Order as a soldier in the United States Army?

It breaks the warrior ethos, soldiers creed, and is punishable by the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Soldiers learn this general order on Day 1 in the Army and that is no exaggeration. You learn it and it is your first order.

There is no excuse.
 
Doggone Iraq for hijacking those planes, right?

Did Berghdal walk off a post in Iraq ? Or was it another country.

Oh, and since when it is a soldiers right to not fight because of a political reason. It is not. You let the politicians and citizens do that. You might have an opinion but you drive on and do your job. That is not what a soldier in the Army of the United States does.
 
You're all big time pro military until you're done with them, right? You guys really shine.
 
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