Superintendent issues warning to nc teachers
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I started at $19,000 my first year as a teacher. I took a different route also. I should not of had to.
As far as the ranking is concerned...I suggest we send the WV teachers to Massachusetts and bring all the Massachusetts teachers here. My guess is that WV teachers would suddenly be ranked one of the highest in the nation and by some strange twist of logic the Massachusetts’ teachers would suddenly suck.
More than a 36 cent/hour raise next year and an 18 cent raise the next 2 years. And not have to pay more for their health insurance.
That is unreasonable. Everybody in the nation is paying more for health insurance. They already have low rates. Nobody wants to pay more for health insurance, but that is reality in today's world. Are they living on different planet? They make a salary that is near in line with other states in the region. Their healthcare insurance premiums are lower than the average WV and is in line with teachers in other states. Their state is a poor state with declining population and a shrinking revenue source.
I've answered this for you several times. You keep asking it over and over, but let's try it again...
*Permanent funding for PEIA , not a freeze that pushes the issue past Election Day.
*For Justice to honor his pledge while running for office to increase pay.
That's pretty much it. The proposed increase before all of this started would have gone through without so much as a blink from teachers. A 1% or 2% raise, even though it is on the state minimum of approximately $32,000 and would only amount to a little over $300 per percent of increase or a whopping $25 monthly per percent, would have been fine if not coupled with the burden of excessive increases in premium and increases in deductibles.
There are a few secondary issues noted (duscussion to eliminate tenure, a petty and vindictive reading of a bill to eliminate payroll deduction for union dues), but those were more the political posturing of a few anti teacher legislators that didn't have a prayer.
These issues have been well communicated and run as a central theme for the entire movement. There's no way you get the solidarity among a statewide group without well communicated and agreed upon grievances.
The fact that you keep asking is more the product of your unwillingness to listen (imagine my surprise) and the lack of effort to educate yourself on the issue. If you wish I could get dherd to type this in all caps.
Ehhh. Within a year both groups of teachers would still be complaining they don't make enough or claim they have been screwed over in some way. That's the only inevitability in your hypothetical.
At some point, the providers of a product or service have to quit blaming the "customer" for their failed/diminished productivity and outcomes, and find ways to engage and inspire a higher standard.
I've yet to see and hear what outcome ("FOR THE KIDS") will actually be improved if the teachers get what they want in this situation. Shouldn't the tax payers of WV also demand a higher level of achievement? You're either inspired to lead and teach students to academic excellence or you're not. No amount of benefit or salary will motivate beyond the next pay cycle.
This will ultimately be the same as any other Union negotiated outcome........celebrated and entrenched long term mediocrity.
I have received two different answers. Greeds was more specific. I answered there.
See, I told you that no reason would satisfy you. Everyone is making too much money, except you. Everyone knows you'd be happy with a raise that didn't cover the cost of the increase in health insurance premiums and decreased copays.
WV ranks 44th in the nation in education per US News. drug babies (i.e. special education), poverty, etc. no amount of raise is going to make this better. what would help is to stop throwing the majority of the funding toward those that are unteachable and have zero chance of becoming productive members of society, and throw the majority of funding at the kids that have a chance. that's where the real issue lies in the state's educational system, IMO. the cost to educate a special ed student is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the cost to educate a regular ed student.
I think I've heard WV teachers rank 48th in the nation in pay.
our governor & legislative positions pay rank top 15 or 20, I'm thinking?
WV's priorities are more fukt than a soup sandwich when it comes to public ed.
I think I've heard WV teachers rank 48th in the nation in pay.
our governor & legislative positions pay rank top 15 or 20, I'm thinking?
WV's priorities are more fukt than a soup sandwich when it comes to public ed.
I hear what you're saying, but the funding demands of special education are mandated on a federal level. I agree that education needs rethought as well.
"You know, as a professional degreed teacher, working two jobs, I qualify for WIC and food stamps," said Jacob Fertig, an art teacher at Riverside High School in Belle, in Kanawha County. WIC is the Women, Infants and Children food and nutrition service, a federal program.
"We collected on the WIC, so that's how low teacher pay is. There were a lot of times where we got to choose between groceries and health coverage for my family. This isn't just an issue of a bunch of people squabbling over a little bit of insurance benefits or a little bit of pay -- we are really in a bad place here as far as that stuff goes."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/26/us/west-virginia-teachers-strike/index.html
"We collected on the WIC, so that's how low teacher pay is. There were a lot of times where we got to choose between groceries and health coverage for my family. This isn't just an issue of a bunch of people squabbling over a little bit of insurance benefits or a little bit of pay -- we are really in a bad place here as far as that stuff goes."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/26/us/west-virginia-teachers-strike/index.html
not true, my wife and mother are teachers. So, there you go. I have no issue with the raise. that can be worked out. The health insurance thing is another story. My opinion, the state(s) and govt can't keep giving that away at low cost or little cost. The teachers should be expected to share in the burden of this issue. It is unreasonable for them to say our health care cost should not go up when everyone's health insurance is going up. Their insurance is already low cost compared to most. Also, it is hard to negotiate in good faith when you walk of the job. So, we would have to agree to that first. Go back to work, serve the children, honor your commitment, and we will sit down.
Then make the raise enough to cover the additional cost of the insurance. Asking the teachers to take a pay cut is not a viable option after years of the state doing nothing to hold up their end of the bargain.
That's a lie.
Then we wouldn't agree.
That's exactly what's been happening and the state has done little to nothing for the teachers. So.....no.
I’m calling “bullshit” on Jacob’s claim.
If a “degreed” jacob actually works 2 jobs and still requires sucking on the govt teet, as a teacher, he apparently can’t manage the finances and most likely wouldn’t be qualified to legitimately teach a child.
Can't manage finances? Qualification is based in income, not debt. You made a snide remark that the whole WIC thing wasn't credible. I supplied the WV state link that proves it. I provided an example that proves it. Now you're saying this guy can't manage his money when managing money has zero to do with it. You've changed the narrative because you are wrong.
Wrong about what? I asked how someone making 40k as you claimed qualified for WIC. I really didn’t know.
The link you provided had an income requirement of 3 kids and 36k in income. You said your colleague had 3 kids and made 40k? (Maybe I should ask again). How does she qualify?
You now link me to another story of a degreed teacher claiming to work 2 jobs and still qualifying for WIC....again, assuming this teacher makes the avg salary of a WV teacher PLUS works a second job....and still needs Govt handouts?????
You’re right. I misspoke. This 2nd “teacher” doesn’t mismanage their finances. With the details given in the story; he appears to embarrassingly mismanage his life. If I had a child in his class, I probably would request a change. I can only imagine what kind of impoverished, dependent driven mindset someone like that is preaching in the classroom.
Instructions:
*Open link
*Go to income graph
*Note the word “household size”
*Take the three children and add one for the parent
*Go to “4” and slide finger to right
*Note qualification level is $44,955
*Go to my post and note I stated they made less than $40,000
*Use understanding of math to deduce that $40,000 is less than $44,955
*Understand but not admit that my example clarifies that they qualify for WIC
*Change narrative by attacking a person’s decision to become a teacher by saying you’d pull your kid from their class
OK. Got me. I admit I was wrong in overlooking the "household" column in the WIC qualification.
Unfortunately I didn't change a narrative (unlike the guy who tried to interject Massachusetts teachers into the topic). I've also been pretty consistent in asking what the students (and tax payers) will get in return if given what they want. After all, I am told its all about the children.
By the way. I wouldn't be pulling my child from a class simply because a person chose to become a teacher. I wasn't attacking the decision to become a teacher. Just his decision to portray himself as a victim after knowing what choosing to become a teacher would mean for his checkbook.
Technically, they are not "striking". They just walked off the job and the counties are choosing to close schools. If they were actually "striking" their union could use some of those precious dues to assist some of their WIC receiving members due to lost wages that start hitting them in this paycheck.
As it stands now....the union doesn't have to offer this "benefit" either.
Easy fix right in front of your eyes. Just exclude teachers from paying state income tax. Just like always, the added money in the teacher's pockets will spur the economy and pay for itself. win-win.
That’s kind of Republican sounding, lol.
If it were corporations, the legislature would be alll over it. But since it’s hard working West Virginians, they won’t go for that.
For some reason his comment wasn't showing up in the thread....with that said, and 'refreshing' the thread now I see it......yep. You might as well have been replying to yourself. His "suggestion" made no sense. Either in fact or concept....moron.
