What????? You are making zero sense. Not a surprise. You are an irrational psycho.
The reality of gun control
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You people that are against background checks and some sort of behavioral health checks are the irrational psychos leading to more deaths of innocents.
I'm not against background checks moron. Background checks are required NOW!
Behavioral/health checks have to be very very controlled. "some sort" of behavioral check gets dicey. Not saying I'm against them fully, but would need to see the legislation before I agree or not. My general belief is that the govt would completely overreact (in most cases intentionally) just to restrict guns being purchased. In which case...the person would go find the gun and illegally purchase.
It’s not illegal dipshit. I have a Glock you want it I can legally sell it to you without a background check. I wouldn’t because you’re to stupid to own a fire arm but legally I’m in the clear as long as I don’t sell it to you for illegal activity
Right; but they also don’t require background checks if they’re not bought through a licensed dealer. If you can walk in a place and buy a gun without a background check depending on which booth/desk you walk up to, I think it’s fair to say background checks aren’t required to buy a gun there.
Not that background checks would stop hardly any mass shootings. I’m convinced absolutely nothing could. Background checks, waiting periods, etc are to solve other problems.
Most recent data says about 13% of all gun purchases are purchased without a back ground check. Not all 13% are done at gun shows. I’ve bought guns from friends wanting to get rid of them and sold guns to family members. I’m willing to bet that the majority of that 13% is in the same situation I was in regarding gun sales
And most guns that are purchased, the vast vast majority, are never used in a crime.
What percentage of guns that are used in crime were purchased legally without a background check?
We’d probably know the answer to that had Congress not threatened to punish the CDC if they did any studies on gun violence. They finally started some studies again in the last couple years, though.
Have you ever been to a gun show.
Go buy a gun from one and let me know what your experience is.
By the gang leaders or someone doing a straw man purchase which a federal offense.
Or purchased legally and then stolen?
They are not walking into bass pro and buying a gun. If they are a felon their background check will flag them right there. That data base is actually housed in WV.
Gun shows require a background check. ANY FFL dealer must do it. I have been to them.
rational as in it would likely occur, so perhaps a better word would be logical or reasonable. let's not get into arguing semantics. i think, at least hope, you understand my point now, if you didn't prior.
frankly, i think the real argument here is the drinking age should be lowered back to 18 again. if an 18 year old can sign up to serve the country, they should be legal to consume alcohol. so, that's a bullshit comparison.
hell, the better question is if an 18 year can join/serve the military and shoot those pesky assault rifles, why can't they buy a gun?
Hey Libs.
Could you please stop with the asinine argument that the Founders couldn't foresee repeating rifles and that rednecks with AR-15's couldn't stop tanks.
Afghanistan is a thing.
Could you please stop with the asinine argument that the Founders couldn't foresee repeating rifles and that rednecks with AR-15's couldn't stop tanks.
Afghanistan is a thing.
Bingo. There was a time when I would have said, nah you're just being paranoid and supported the notion of banning weapons that offer functionality beyond what's needed for protection and hunting. I mean seriously, if you can't kill a deer in a couple shots, then you can't shoot for shit and don't deserve the kill.
But, given the current political landscape, fvck yeah I think giving an inch well ultimately cost us the 2nd Amendment.
Notice how that argument never migrated to things like the internet/twitter
Why do soldiers and Marines carry rifles? hahahaha The libs just don't get it.
That is what I keep saying. There are those in power, with immense power, that would take every gun out of this country and they would do it. They absolutely would.
Yep, just like they are going to eliminate all abortions, just like they eliminated alcohol in the 20's, like how nobody uses illegal drugs now.
Wow...
Abortion is legal in many Western nations, as is alcohol, as are various forms of drugs. Firearms, especially "non-sporting" arms, are not in most of these same nations.
Try a better analogy next time... You are attempting to make the LEGAL ownership of firearms into something illegal...
You don't think chuck Schumer wouldn't ban all guns if he could? If he had a way to force a turn in or buyback he wouldn't do it?
Very well might try, but it won't happen. History has been proven time and time again, you can't legislate moral values, or peoples beliefs. There will always be guns in this country, legally, or illegally.
In the hands of criminals...
You are confusing morality with tyranny...
Governments that disarm the people have troubling history
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When A Population Is Disarmed: A Brief History Of Tyranny :: Firearms Owners Against Crime
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Maybe you should learn how to read an entire conversation before jumping in with your holier than now attitude. My comment was directed at Herdman's comment "There are those in power, with immense power, that would take every gun out of this country and they would do it. They absolutely would"In the hands of criminals...
You are confusing morality with tyranny...
Governments that disarm the people have troubling history
When considering gun controls, a nation must first acknowledge that this world is, by definition, br ...
When A Population Is Disarmed: A Brief History Of Tyranny :: Firearms Owners Against Crime
Firearms Owners Against Crime is a political action committee registered in the state of Pennsylvania dedicated to reviewing candidates in strict favor of pro-2nd amendment policies.foac-pac.org
Do I disagree with him that there are forces out there? No, I don't. Do I think ALL GUNS will be taken out of this country. NO, because people will have them whether it is illegal, or legal. The same as people will have abortions, drink alochol, and use drugs.
To take your guns would require a supreme court decision (ain't going to happen) or a 3/4 of states to ratify an amendment (ain't going to happen). But go ahead and use the "they're going to take our guns" excuse to not do something about gun atrocities.
Firearm ownership and self-defense are God-given rights. There is nothing moral about owning, or not owning, a firearm. Morality comes into play in how one chooses to use a firearm. Are firearms moral only in the hands of the police or the military, when both of these have been known to act immorallly? One only needs to look at recent world events to see examples of that.
Just because I chose to make, and illustrate, that distinction and also the distinction between the desire to legislate morality versus the desire for power that ultimately leads to tyranny doesn't make me "holier than thou"...
What I am saying there are tyrants. We have thenmm in disguise or in thr making.
The 2nd Amendment is the great equalizer.
Eliminating abortions would be done by the Right.
Jump back over to the other side where you belong.
Don't disagree. I think there are tyrants that many on the right follow, as many on the left do to. The second amendment is the great equalizer and should never be taken away.
That's why it should never be equated with abortion, Prohibition, drug legalization, etc. The opponents of 2A try to water-down the true reason for it with these comparisons. NONE of us should fall or be unwitting accomplices in that..
Reading comprehension would help, but I will try to explain to you as simplistic as I can get.
Abortions like alcohol and drugs are, or have been illegal in this country at one time. Did it stop people from having them? No, it did not. This wasn't a moral or liberal comment.... It a statement of historical fact about issues that have divided this country.
The original comment was directed at a statement that guns would be completely taken out of this country. I don't believe that to be the case. First it will be hard to constitutionally do, but lets say it does happen. Do you think everybody is going to comply and turn in their guns? No.
I am out people its been real, but as someone said I have go back to where I belong. The working class.
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In the meantime many will and those that don't will be criminals. Gun confiscation is real and has been practiced by many governments, tyrannical or not...
But you didn't count the bars, malls, churches, businesses, concerts, healthcare facilities, subways....
