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Tony Gibson (HC frontrunner)

I recently PCS’d to Germany and have been watching a lot of reruns of the games (with the time difference) but had a dream last night we picked up Neal Brown, tell me it wouldn't be sweet if he turned the program around. A coach who didn’t perform well at WVU and someday in the future got to beat the team he got booted from!? I like Brown and not even sure he’d be interested in coaching at Marshall. He might be exactly what our program needs.
 
Herdfan1986 said:
I recently PCS’d to Germany and have been watching a lot of reruns of the games (with the time difference) but had a dream last night we picked up Neal Brown, tell me it wouldn't be sweet if he turned the program around. A coach who didn’t perform well at WVU and someday in the future got to beat the team he got booted from!? I like Brown and not even sure he’d be interested in coaching at Marshall. He might be exactly what our program needs.
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We're 9-3, won the east division and playing for the SBC championship. What, exactly, is there to turn around?
 
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Herdfan1986 said:
I recently PCS’d to Germany and have been watching a lot of reruns of the games (with the time difference) but had a dream last night we picked up Neal Brown, tell me it wouldn't be sweet if he turned the program around. A coach who didn’t perform well at WVU and someday in the future got to beat the team he got booted from!? I like Brown and not even sure he’d be interested in coaching at Marshall. He might be exactly what our program needs.
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Brown is the new HFBC @ App….
 
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riflearm2 said:
You say that like it's a good thing. Marshall's (and the entire state's) problem is that it gives a shit about that. Sorry, but recruiting one of your own from a state that is dead last or next-to-last in just about every important metric is not a good thing. Outsiders can only help.
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Very true. There has never been a successful college football coach from the state of West Virginia that I can think of
 
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What's the pros regarding Gibson??
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riflearm2 said:
This is how Gibson's defenses ranked as a defensive coordinator:
2014: 66 out of 125
2015: 61 out of 127
2016: 74 out of 128
2017: 106 out of 129
2018: 74 out of 129
2021: 21 out of 130
2022: 18 out of 130
2023: 29 out of 130
2024: 84 out of 133
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This ^^^ is why I asked the question: "What's the pros regarding Gibson??"
 
If it is Gibson, and Huff leaves on Sunday... who coaches the bowl? Doege? does Gibson, since he's already hired?
 
"The new coach deserves and needs all of our support."

The new coach will get the same support the current coach got/is getting.
 
riflearm2 said:
Anybody can call a game. Being successful while doing it is a different story.

This is how Gibson's defenses ranked as a defensive coordinator:
2014: 66 out of 125
2015: 61 out of 127
2016: 74 out of 128
2017: 106 out of 129
2018: 74 out of 129
2021: 21 out of 130
2022: 18 out of 130
2023: 29 out of 130
2024: 84 out of 133

Sorry, but that doesn't excite me as a DC let alone as an HC. I am not a believer that a head coach has to be a great coordinator. Head coaching requires a different skill set. But considering his lack of appeal as a head coach to any other school, I find it hard to believe that he has that type of skill set.


You say that like it's a good thing. Marshall's (and the entire state's) problem is that it gives a shit about that. Sorry, but recruiting one of your own from a state that is dead last or next-to-last in just about every important metric is not a good thing. Outsiders can only help.

Bradley Smith isn't going to have success doing what he wants to do by rallying up the state's residents. He is going to have success by getting outsiders interested, involved, and investing. Gibson being one of your own and rallying up the poor, the tired, and the huddled masses won't do much.



That's the part of a head coach's job. Pushing for more for his players, staff, and program. Pruett was doing the same thing when he resigned. Huff is far from the first to have done it. He just happens to be black in west virginia . . .


Please list all of these antics . . . not online rumors about what he allegedly said about Huntington without actual quotes/citing sources, but actual things he did/said. Being black and not knowing his place doesn't count.
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Do you really feel this way? If so, why is one of the first names to pop up EVERY coaching search Byron Leftwich? Why do we have a black basketball head coach?

The people directly responsible for keeping/letting go Charles Huff IS not the fanbase on Herdnation, it is in fact, CS and Mr. Bradley Smith. Are you accusing them of being racist?

Maybe you were just trolling. If that is the case I apologize.
 
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Green_Daddy said:
Do you really feel this way? If so, why is one of the first names to pop up EVERY coaching search Byron Leftwich? Why do we have a black basketball head coach?

The people directly responsible for keeping/letting go Charles Huff IS not the fanbase on Herdnation, it is in fact, CS and Mr. Bradley Smith. Are you accusing them of being racist?

Maybe you were just trolling. If that is the case I apologize.
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The racist thought is totally bogus and baseless.
 
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Rifle's argument about Gibson is valid. I'm not thrilled with this pick, and I still can't see him as anything but a younger version of Doc. Yeah, he's a coordinator, but his team's stats are not impressive. Then there's his age; he's not old as in old for the Earth, but he's a little old to just be getting his first head coaching job.

So then, other than being from WV, what else is he known for? Is he a phenomenal recruiter? Does he have local boosters who are willing to pony up more NIL cash along with his hiring?
 
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Green_Daddy said:
Do you really feel this way? If so, why is one of the first names to pop up EVERY coaching search Byron Leftwich? Why do we have a black basketball head coach?
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It's not an issue of racism where people say "I hate black people. No way should we have a black coach." It is subconscious (for the most part) racism where blacks are not given the same opportunity/privilege if things start to go bad.

There have been numerous studies looking at the exact same thing in the exact same industry (black head coaching tenures in the NFL).

Green_Daddy said:
The people directly responsible for keeping/letting go Charles Huff IS not the fanbase on Herdnation, it is in fact, CS and Mr. Bradley Smith. Are you accusing them of being racist?
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School presidents and ADs are influenced by booster support/feedback, ticket sales, etc. If those things are low due to bogus rumors that haven't been shown (countless incorrect comments claim Huff said certain things about Huntington), are low due to fans having that subconscious racism, etc., then the president and AD pick up on it.

Hell, just look at the volatility of the Marshall fans about wanting Huff fired due to a single bad loss but then are pleading to keep him weeks later. He wasn't given nearly the same opportunity other coaches have. Again, even in the middle of his second season, weeks after beating Notre Dame, there was a sizeable base of MU fans who claimed he lost the team and wanted him gone. It's absurd.

It's not like it isn't commonly accepted about west virginia. This study discovered that west virginia was not just the most racist state, but " . . . when it comes to statewide use, one state is far and away most culpable for using anti-black slurs on Twitter: West Virginia, whose rate of 83.2 uses per 100,000 tweets is more than twice as high as the next highest state."

Sure, Nick Goff of Huntington is probably responsible for a significant portion of that, but it speaks for itself.

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When you look at everything through the lens of race, I imagine that’s what you will see and find in anything…coaching or any profession.

Wins are the main factor if a coach is liked. Just ask Mark Snyder.
 
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redsfan5590 said:
Very true. There has never been a successful college football coach from the state of West Virginia that I can think of
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The point isn't that people from west virginia can't coach. The point is that it makes no sense to applaud this hire just because somebody is from west virginia (unless your argument is that being from west virginia somehow leads to being a better coach).
 
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- The "everyone who disagrees with me is a racist" garbage should get the poster banned. But so should 1000s of previous actions of the mental defective. He need treatment. Mental illness can be cured. Interaction with the mental defective, as if something he had to say should be taken seriously, only prevents him from seeking out the treatment he needs, which is why I long ago stopped responding to his rantings.

- CH is disliked because he isn't a very good coach. Full stop.

- CH is further disliked because he came into town looking for the next job, put down the town, put down the fans, and showed disloyalty at every turn.

- As I predicted, the WVU obsessed people who hated Doc are already out to hate on Gibson. Gibson went to Glenville State. He worked at WVU under its once and future coach Dickrod, Let it go. This is a home run level hire

Let the rebuilding begin.
 
The Real SamC said:
- The "everyone who disagrees with me is a racist" garbage should get the poster banned. But so should 1000s of previous actions of the mental defective. He need treatment. Mental illness can be cured. Interaction with the mental defective, as if something he had to say should be taken seriously, only prevents him from seeking out the treatment he needs, which is why I long ago stopped responding to his rantings.

- CH is disliked because he isn't a very good coach. Full stop.

- CH is further disliked because he came into town looking for the next job, put down the town, put down the fans, and showed disloyalty at every turn.

- As I predicted, the WVU obsessed people who hated Doc are already out to hate on Gibson. Gibson went to Glenville State. He worked at WVU under its once and future coach Dickrod, Let it go. This is a home run level hire

Let the rebuilding begin.
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Sam - genuinely curious, mainly because I know next to nothing about this guy (Gibson).
What specific things lead you to believe he is a “home run” hire?
p.s. You do realize that your post will be bookmarked by every Sam hater for future use? 😂
 
"Let the rebuilding begin."
On the day Marshall plays for a title.
Who wouldn't be excited for a rebuild!
 
The Real SamC said:
- The "everyone who disagrees with me is a racist" garbage should get the poster banned. But so should 1000s of previous actions of the mental defective. He need treatment. Mental illness can be cured. Interaction with the mental defective, as if something he had to say should be taken seriously, only prevents him from seeking out the treatment he needs, which is why I long ago stopped responding to his rantings.

- CH is disliked because he isn't a very good coach. Full stop.

- CH is further disliked because he came into town looking for the next job, put down the town, put down the fans, and showed disloyalty at every turn.

- As I predicted, the WVU obsessed people who hated Doc are already out to hate on Gibson. Gibson went to Glenville State. He worked at WVU under its once and future coach Dickrod, Let it go. This is a home run level hire

Let the rebuilding begin.
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You are really funny but not in a comical way in a what did I just read type of way.

First off you say Huff is disliked because he isn’t a good coach. (On this board it has nothing to do with it. All I ever hear is these mysterious quotes he hates Huntington, he was looking to leave as soon as he got here, his wife hates it here , he’s slammed the fan base) so his coaching is why you don’t like him. As compared to who? I’ve posted this before but in his 4th year we are playing for a conference championship in a conference that is way harder than our previous conference. A team that was picked 5th and had to replace the starting QB and one of our best ever running backs, as well as several defensive stalwarts.

But let’s look at Huff by the numbers. During his 4 years we finished 2nd in CUSA East in the last year of CUSA for us. 3rd in the East first year of SBC, 5th in the East during his worst season, a season incidentally that we still qualified for and went to a bowl. 4th year we won the East had 1 loss in the SBC and finished the regular season 9-3. He is 31-20 through 4 years. 30-18 if you don’t count bowls.

He brought in a quarterback that finished 2nd team all SBC and replaced one of our best running backs(who is playing for the Ravens in the NFL) with running backs and a quarterback that have made our rushing attack one of the best in the conference.

Did he have some growing pains as a first time head coach that led us to some heartbreaking losses. Absolutely but he has also led us to some great wins including beating Notre Dame at Notre Dame and Va Tech at home. Plus the win against JMU last Saturday was awesome especially with all of the outside distractions.

Tony Gibson might turn out to be a great hire, but there is absolutely nothing in his background that screams Homerun hire. I’m one of those people that don’t give a flying f about connections to WVU. I would have hired Huggins in a heartbeat and had nothing against if we would have went after Neal Brown or Rich Rod in football.

Also my dislike of our previous coach had absolutely nothing to do with his ties to WVU. Also I only disliked him as a coach, not as a person. He seemed like a good guy and his respect of the program and the crash was excellent. I didn’t like the numerous blow out losses to not only P5s but G5s including at home. It was also his inability to win the worst FBS conference in the country more than once in 11 seasons. Also his inexplicable losses to teams that were in the infancy of their programs.

But I get it you don’t like Huffs coaching because of why??? But you are OK with paying a new guy more money than our current coach, a coach who is in his 50s and has never been a head coach. As a result like huff, Doc and Mark he will have to have a learning curve to be a head coach. But he is guaranteed by you to be a homerun hire.
Make it make sense.
 
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You are really funny but not in a comical way in a what did I just read type of way.

First off you say Huff is disliked because he isn’t a good coach. (On this board it has nothing to do with it. All I ever hear is these mysterious quotes he hates Huntington, he was looking to leave as soon as he got here, his wife hates it here , he’s slammed the fan base) so his coaching is why you don’t like him. As compared to who? I’ve posted this before but in his 4th year we are playing for a conference championship in a conference that is way harder than our previous conference. A team that was picked 5th and had to replace the starting QB and one of our best ever running backs, as well as several defensive stalwarts.

But let’s look at Huff by the numbers. During his 4 years we finished 2nd in CUSA East in the last year of CUSA for us. 3rd in the East first year of SBC, 5th in the East during his worst season, a season incidentally that we still qualified for and went to a bowl. 4th year we won the East had 1 loss in the SBC and finished the regular season 9-3. He is 31-20 through 4 years. 30-18 if you don’t count bowls.

He brought in a quarterback that finished 2nd team all SBC and replaced one of our best running backs(who is playing for the Ravens in the NFL) with running backs and a quarterback that have made our rushing attack one of the best in the conference.

Did he have some growing pains as a first time head coach that led us to some heartbreaking losses. Absolutely but he has also led us to some great wins including beating Notre Dame at Notre Dame and Va Tech at home. Plus the win against JMU last Saturday was awesome especially with all of the outside distractions.

Tony Gibson might turn out to be a great hire, but there is absolutely nothing in his background that screams Homerun hire. I’m one of those people that don’t give a flying f about connections to WVU. I would have hired Huggins in a heartbeat and had nothing against if we would have went after Neal Brown or Rich Rod in football.

Also my dislike of our previous coach had absolutely nothing to do with his ties to WVU. Also I only disliked him as a coach, not as a person. He seemed like a good guy and his respect of the program and the crash was excellent. I didn’t like the numerous blow out losses to not only P5s but G5s including at home. It was also his inability to win the worst FBS conference in the country more than once in 11 seasons. Also his inexplicable losses to teams that were in the infancy of their programs.

But I get it you don’t like Huffs coaching because of why??? But you are OK with paying a new guy more money than our current coach, a coach who is in his 50s and has never been a head coach. As a result like huff, Doc and Mark he will have to have a learning curve to be a head coach. But he is guaranteed by you to be a homerun hire.
Make it make sense.
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Yeah, Sam - what he said! We’re waiting……
 
caliherd said:
But let’s look at Huff by the numbers.
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Then you post a bunch of hand selected numbers, containing phrases like "if you don't count bowls" "2nd in a division" "3rd" and "31-20".

Then you spew the typical CUSA hate. Doc, forgetting that you praise CH for being first loser in his only CUSA year, was just supposed to win CUSA because CUSA. Along with spew about "the infancy of their programs". (BTW, Appy State, I-A in 2014, Coastal 2016, GA State 2013, program started in 2009 GA Souther 2014, JMU 2022, ULM 2012, USA 2012, program started in 2009, TX State 2012, so ????) Blinded by CUSA hate.

Reality?

31-20, 26-20 vs I-A.

Major coaching mistakes, every year.

And then we have this year. 9-3, 8-3 vs I-A.

SUNY Stony Brook I-AA
Western Michigan 6-6
Appy State 5-6 (certain loss to Liberty hurricaned out, really 5-7) (coach fired)
Georgia State 3-9
Louisiana Monroe 5-7
Southern Mississippi 1-11 (coach fired)
Coastal Carolina 6-6
Old Dominion 5-7
James Madison 8-4

That is 1-2 versus I-A teams with a winning record (he also lost to 6-6 Virginia Tech, so 0-2 in P4 games, including a team that lost 6 games)

We got lucky. The oddities of the current too-big conferences of today mean that if everything fall right in a rotating schedule, a team can look a whole lot better on paper than they really are. That is us. We are not that different from Indiana this year. They got to skip most of the good teams in the B10, and got assreamed when they had to step up. That is us.

That isn't good enough.

Demand better.

So, we get, without paying any money, rid of CH. Home run.

We get a up and coming coordinator who needs and deserves a shot. Home run.

Winner. Home run.

Local connections. Home run.

Booster friendly, especially to a certain Corridor G car dealer. Home run.

Understands our culture, won't criticize the town, fanbase, etc. Home run.

This is a home run. As long as the WVU haters, like yourself, don't just hate on the guy because of his Dickrod association and the delusional types realize that we are not going to play 8 out of 11 games vs. teams that don't have a winning record every year, or most any upcoming year, and give Coach time to clean house and rebuild.
 
Seriously you are an embarrassment. Everything literally everything you say about Coach Huff can be applied to Doc previous to this year. And you worshipped the ground he walked on. You are a complete hypocrite and the only reason you hold huff to a different standard is due to the fact you think doc should still be coach and Hamrick should still be AD.

Let’s face it you should go watch New Mexico State. Marshall isn’t for you.
 
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The Real SamC said:
- The "everyone who disagrees with me is a racist" garbage should get the poster banned.
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Why resort to blatant lying? I’ve never said that. I said that race plays a significant part in people's perception and tolerance of the performance of a coach. Repeated studies at the NFL level have shown that.

I have never said anything remotely close to what you quoted of mine, moron.

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- He need treatment.
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You need the letter "s".

The Real SamC said:
- CH is disliked because he isn't a very good coach. Full stop.
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Four straight bowl games. Is going to win somewhere between 24-26 games over the last three seasons. Is 2-3 against P5 schools which I would bet is the best winning percentage of that kind in Marshall football coaching history. Isn't a very good coach? And you have the audacity to question anybody else's mental health?
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Let the rebuilding begin.
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A team that could easily finish with 11 wins this season isn't a rebuild, moron.
 
mlblack16. said:
Rifle's argument about Gibson is valid. I'm not thrilled with this pick, and I still can't see him as anything but a younger version of Doc. Yeah, he's a coordinator, but his team's stats are not impressive. Then there's his age; he's not old as in old for the Earth, but he's a little old to just be getting his first head coaching job.

So then, other than being from WV, what else is he known for? Is he a phenomenal recruiter? Does he have local boosters who are willing to pony up more NIL cash along with his hiring?
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I agree. He isn't exactly going to create excitement for MU.
But I can't say that with any certainty.
Huff at least had personality when he got hired.
I can say, people weren't using his name when suggesting replacement HC's.
 
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riflearm2 said:
Anybody can call a game. Being successful while doing it is a different story.

This is how Gibson's defenses ranked as a defensive coordinator:
2014: 66 out of 125
2015: 61 out of 127
2016: 74 out of 128
2017: 106 out of 129
2018: 74 out of 129
2021: 21 out of 130
2022: 18 out of 130
2023: 29 out of 130
2024: 84 out of 133

Sorry, but that doesn't excite me as a DC let alone as an HC. I am not a believer that a head coach has to be a great coordinator. Head coaching requires a different skill set. But considering his lack of appeal as a head coach to any other school, I find it hard to believe that he has that type of skill set.


You say that like it's a good thing. Marshall's (and the entire state's) problem is that it gives a shit about that. Sorry, but recruiting one of your own from a state that is dead last or next-to-last in just about every important metric is not a good thing. Outsiders can only help.

Bradley Smith isn't going to have success doing what he wants to do by rallying up the state's residents. He is going to have success by getting outsiders interested, involved, and investing. Gibson being one of your own and rallying up the poor, the tired, and the huddled masses won't do much.



That's the part of a head coach's job. Pushing for more for his players, staff, and program. Pruett was doing the same thing when he resigned. Huff is far from the first to have done it. He just happens to be black in west virginia . . .


Please list all of these antics . . . not online rumors about what he allegedly said about Huntington without actual quotes/citing sources, but actual things he did/said. Being black and not knowing his place doesn't count.
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Marshall had the first black basketball player in WV's two largest schools. Integrated before it was a thing. Hal Greer back in the 50's
Marshall had a black basketball coach in the late 80's and 90's.
Currently has a black basketball coach.
Huff was the 1st black football coach.

Not sure Huff's issue is being black in WV. Marshall has a history of having black head coaches and integrating quicker.

Your race card argument is a crutch.
 
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New guy needs 11+ wins to improve on his predecessor.
Huff gonna win 3 at southern Miss and be making progress.
 
i am herdman said:
Marshall had the first black basketball player in WV's two largest schools. Integrated before it was a thing. Hal Greer back in the 50's
Marshall had a black basketball coach in the late 80's and 90's.
Currently has a black basketball coach.
Huff was the 1st black football coach.

Not sure Huff's issue is being black in WV. Marshall has a history of having black head coaches and integrating quicker.

Your race card argument is a crutch.
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I will agree, but I will also say some people are more vocal at a black HC for making the same errors or just plain losing, as a white HC doing the same thing.
It doesn't even have to be that...people simply don't like someone for whatever reason and find everything they can to discredit them.
On places like here, people bend reality so they can feel right.

However, as it has been shown, such topics are becoming a tiresome and wasteful effort to really debate beyond idle banter.
 
Herd-in-ATL said:
Only Marshall let's a conference winning coach walk. Spears is the problem.
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It's unbelievable that Spears hasn't publicly been questioned or called out by the media for going to a small, intimate political fundraiser being held at the house of a Huntington resident who has made countless abhorrent racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, and homophobic comments over the last two years. Spears didn't just attend that event, he also donated his tax-payer funded money to it.

Can you imagine an executive of a publicly traded company or a government funded organization going to socialize with an avowed racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, homophobe at that person's house? The person would be out of a job.
 
riflearm2 said:
It's unbelievable that Spears hasn't publicly been questioned or called out by the media for going to a small, intimate political fundraiser being held at the house of a Huntington resident who has made countless abhorrent racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, and homophobic comments over the last two years. Spears didn't just attend that event, he also donated his tax-payer funded money to it.

Can you imagine an executive of a publicly traded company or a government funded organization going to socialize with an avowed racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, homophobe at that person's house? The person would be out of a job.
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Who is this person?
 
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