Tony Gibson (HC frontrunner)
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Of course he did.
MU already offered him and he declined it.
He doesn't want to be here.
Was Doc black??? Are some people less vocal at a black HC as well?
I think there were some legitimate criticisms during Huff's first three seasons and I think he showed some thin skin as well as some stubbornness during that time.
Braxton's 2024 stats are similar to his 2022 stats at Tulsa. I'm glad Huff has let him play this year. Both deserve a good portion of the credit for this season. Wonder if Huff leaves if Braxton follows?
Well to be fair it's not new to MU. After finishing 23-4 with a final #12 ranking in 1972 MU wouldn't give Carl Tacy a $5K raise so he left for Wake Forest...
See,
'It doesn't even have to be that...people simply don't like someone for whatever reason and find everything they can to discredit them'
Now that you realize you're a fool...
I never said MU was directly doing this, but I will say at least one poster may fall into the category of what I said.
People find whatever elements they can of a HC that isn't from their comfort zone, to be critical. Doc was a wvu guy, and people never seemed to get over it...despite being 60yrs old but acting like whintly children.
Huff isn't from here, he's a young.l, energetic coordinator who will use MU as a stepping stone, regardless of what MU fans think or want.
He has done that and they lose their minds over it.
Maybe they offered a low ball offer, or it contained a large buyout. I can't believe that Southern Miss was the job he was holding out for.
No... I am actually realizing that you're a fool...
And I just offered I saw more dislike for Doc than I've seen for Huff... And for Mark Snyder... I think any reference to race detracts from the issue at hand which was exactly what you were doing.
Huff's prior teams have been inconsistent and he has displayed some stubbornness and thin skin. He has been actively job-seeking while at Marshall, given the appearance that he didn't like it here and and committed a Cardinal sin of criticizing the fan base. I don't think the criticism of him has been more severe than of the other coaches that I named.
Winning cures a lot of things and Huff has won this year. He's also been actively job-seeking and reportedly didn't sign an extension when offered one. There's much more to this than simply he's a black head coach...
I wonder if it was to establish a baseline salary if Marshall wins out and his opportunities open up?
I was talking from Huff's bargaining position - he guaranteed himself $1.5MM. If he wins out he can shop that amount out rather than his MU salary.
Without an extension MU gets no payday, and that is an additional bargaining tool for Huff.
^This
Huff did it. He had the kind of season that is successful enough, fans won't care nearly as much regarding what he said about them, the community, etc, and it's a no brainer that he also would be leaving for greener pastures.
That said, how the hell is it also that a head coach who just had such a successful season ends up at a peer program within our own conference and for a ~$200K (reportedly) raise? Did his agent drop the ball on this one? Seems like it to me.
Sadly, I don't think our administration is ever going to tell us exactly what happened.
Exactly. He will get 1 season as long as he doesn’t complain. After that if he doesn’t end up with 9 wins and win an SBC the murmurs will begin and the fans will be whining why we didn’t keep Huff….despite their whining about wanting Huff gone 3 of the 4 years of his contract here.
I would bet a combination of both. Maybe a 100-200K increase and large buyout. His agent said no way and things went from there.
Unfortunate situation for all. Jmo
I suggest you look on the paid board to get the real story. The ball was in Huff's court. He played poker and lost.
He's going to be in SEC country and as I have said, probably looking at the Mississippi State job if their coach sucks again.
This might be the worst take next to Sam's...and he really tries.
Spears offered him back when MU beat VT and Huff didn't accept it.
Huff has been given contract extensions but he did not want to remain here.
My guess is he wants back in the SEC and MU isn't anywhere near there.
Spears isn't going to publicly say, "MU offered him and he declined" because that'll kill your product and get fans to think MU isn't worth it. It's another unwarranted criticism that MU can avoid.
All you need is a simple timeline of Huff's actions while here.
I did hear the night MU beat Notre Dame, he texted a bunch of the coaches with a simple emoji: 💰
It's pretty evident he didn't want to stay, and somehow everyone's shocked MU "let him go" when, this is exactly the type of thing they were okay with getting...and will continue to get for the near future.
It is pretty clear he didn't want to be at Marshall.
The fact that you compare me to delusional Sam is comical, but I'll play along. Do you know for a fact what Spears offered him when he beat Va Tech? I'm guessing no. Probably an insulting offer, if not I'm sure he would probably have signed it. The fact that he's going to bottom feeder Southern Miss is all we need to know.
Speaking of the ND game...
Remember this and the swoon that followed???
www.wsaz.com
Remember this and the swoon that followed???
Marshall football offensive line coach resigns
Athletic Director Christian Spears confirms Offensive Line Coach Eddy Morrissey has left the team.
You pay him. Do you think Nick Saban circled Tuscaloosa, Alabama as the best place to live? However, sometimes the working conditions, and salary are better than the city you live in.
Wow...
I really like and respect you but MU isn't Alabama and Huntington isn't Tuscaloosa...
Alabama is a historical SEC football powerhouse with several National Championships. Alabama is the big brother in a relatively small state while MU is the little brother in an even smaller state.
And when it comes to athletic budget it isn't even close (not including NIL)... Alabama's FOOTBALL budget is more than double MU's ENTIRE athletic budget.
BTW for the WV haters here since Saban is from WV so Tuscaloosa probably did look really good to him... (sarcasm off)...
I appreciate your kind words. I've lived in Huntington and used to go to Tuscaloosa on business. I would take Huntington any day of the week. I'm not comparing Marshall to Alabama. However sometimes you live in a city where it just works financially and professionally. But he left for a program in an improvised state, who's athletic budget is on life support.
I get that about Tuscaloosa as I have visited there. And I get what you are saying about USM, which makes Huff's decision, and timing, all the more puzzling.
I introduced myself to you at an MU basketball game and I do hear some scuttlebutt about MU athletics that I choose not to post here for various reasons. I've heard privately Huff didn't think this would be the season that it's been. I think there has been a lot of posturing by both sides and Huff's job was definitely on the line.
Huff has been a platoon quarterback coach since he's been here and Braxton was basically a platoon QB at Tulsa. That could be a reason Huff went after him.
It's not like Huff had a game plan going into this season - it took him about halfway through this season to figure out he needed to play Braxton in order to have a chance to win. And now a lot of fans are bemoaning the fact we just lost the second comings of Vince Lombardi and Tom Brady... I think both were products of their environment this year to some degree.
It will be interesting to see if Braxton will follow Huff to USM or follow the money to a larger school. It will also be interesting to see if Braxton makes himself available to play against Army.
I do know, he has been offered multiple times.
MU offered what they could. If it's insulting to him, fine, but MU did do that.
It sounds from leaks that he was offered multiple times and was actually offered a very similar offer to what USM offered him. He tried to use it as leverage, Marshall called his bluff and said "our offer is our offer". And got mad he was trying to hold them over a barrel. Decided to move on.
At a certain point this is on Huff for not accepting offers. He made it seem like he didn't want to be here (whether that was true or just to get leverage) he messed around and found out. And maybe he will be happy at USM, if so thats great. It's good for the conference when they are a good program. But the more that comes out about this situation the more I think Marshall was in the right here. Except for maybe the way they handled it from a PR standpoint.
At a certain point this is on Huff for not accepting offers. He made it seem like he didn't want to be here (whether that was true or just to get leverage) he messed around and found out. And maybe he will be happy at USM, if so thats great. It's good for the conference when they are a good program. But the more that comes out about this situation the more I think Marshall was in the right here. Except for maybe the way they handled it from a PR standpoint.
quotes from radio interview with Spears:
“Coach has been interviewing for gigs since day one of his opportunity here at Marshall,” Spears said. “When I started the job 33 months ago, he was in a couple of searches then. After the 2022 season, we had a spectacular year, won nine games, beat Notre Dame and we offered a contract extension then.”
After a disappointing 6-7 2023 season, rather than buy out the remaining year of Huff’s contract, Spears said the university chose to use the money that could have been used for the buyout to invest in the football program, growing the salary pool for the assistant coaches and providing breakfast and lunch for all Marshall athletes. The door was left open for a contract extension for Huff. Both sides agreed to meet during the season to discuss topics related to growing the program but agreed there would not be contract negotiations. Spears said that came with a caveat. Huff would not pursue other job openings in the meantime..."
Not sure I understand why him being "in a couple of searches..." isn't a good thing.
Don't get the post 2023 word salad.
“Coach has been interviewing for gigs since day one of his opportunity here at Marshall,” Spears said. “When I started the job 33 months ago, he was in a couple of searches then. After the 2022 season, we had a spectacular year, won nine games, beat Notre Dame and we offered a contract extension then.”
After a disappointing 6-7 2023 season, rather than buy out the remaining year of Huff’s contract, Spears said the university chose to use the money that could have been used for the buyout to invest in the football program, growing the salary pool for the assistant coaches and providing breakfast and lunch for all Marshall athletes. The door was left open for a contract extension for Huff. Both sides agreed to meet during the season to discuss topics related to growing the program but agreed there would not be contract negotiations. Spears said that came with a caveat. Huff would not pursue other job openings in the meantime..."
Not sure I understand why him being "in a couple of searches..." isn't a good thing.
Don't get the post 2023 word salad.
Huff is G O N E.
His goal from Day One was intergenerational wealth. He interviewed for every job he could get a sniff for, and had a press flack that planted fake stories that had him up for jobs he wasn't. He is a .600 coach, who loses games due to poor on-field coaching every year. He hated the town. He hated the fanbase.
And he NEVER got the job in the SEC, ACC, or B10. Or even the B12, AAC, or MWC. Nothing.
So he took a job in the same conference he was in. Eventually USM will tire of his .600, and he will be reabsorbed into the SEC buddy-buddy career assistant system. Or, he will actually succeed, either really actually succeed (which I doubt) or find some eternal P4 bottom feeder to give him the $$ he wants for some hopeless job.
Who cares? He is not worth it. He is not some body you spend money you don't have to keep.
100% behind the new staff. Let the rebuilding begin.
His goal from Day One was intergenerational wealth. He interviewed for every job he could get a sniff for, and had a press flack that planted fake stories that had him up for jobs he wasn't. He is a .600 coach, who loses games due to poor on-field coaching every year. He hated the town. He hated the fanbase.
And he NEVER got the job in the SEC, ACC, or B10. Or even the B12, AAC, or MWC. Nothing.
So he took a job in the same conference he was in. Eventually USM will tire of his .600, and he will be reabsorbed into the SEC buddy-buddy career assistant system. Or, he will actually succeed, either really actually succeed (which I doubt) or find some eternal P4 bottom feeder to give him the $$ he wants for some hopeless job.
Who cares? He is not worth it. He is not some body you spend money you don't have to keep.
100% behind the new staff. Let the rebuilding begin.
I often disagree with you but I am agreeing with you here.
I'll even throw in something that may never be proven but certainly "fits."
It's very odd the ENTIRE team is leaving at the exact same time...almost as though they knew he was gone and were, actively encouraged to go, instead of finishing up here.
Almost like Huff, out of spite because of the contract negotiations and not feeling he was given enough, called everyone and said, "get out as soon as it's over..."
This article sort of kick started the whole idea for me:
Yeah, I think what’s happened is that he’s working from the inside with those guys every single day. Spears and Admin are working from the outside. Who are the kids going to believe/side with? As long as they like him, and he seemed to be somewhat popular with players, they’re going to choose the coach every time. Specifically if he knew his time was coming to an end.
Last week he knew he had screwed up, I believe. Rumors came out we hired our guy and he knew he was done. I think he went into fox hole mentality. Us vs them. The admin doesn’t want me here. We’re gonna win for us, for the guys in this room… then we can all bounce.
I think it’s just natural in athletics to an extent, but you also have the point you made that Huff was probably somewhat spiteful and possibly even encouraged transfers on his way out the door.
See it’s nice when we agree 😉
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