Broken clocks, etc etc
The point wasn’t to help Ukraine it was to hurt Russia. They’ve spent about 3x (finding exact numbers is tough) what we have and they have less to spend in the first place.
I think some initial resistance was reasonable…it went on way too long though and started to get shady - the west shutting down peace talks, ?ukraine or west? bombing pipelines, etc.
You’re still approaching this from the perspective of us caring at all what happens to Ukraine. We don’t.
We actually agree. USA proxy war.
Gotcha.
Whether it’s worth it or not is for sure a legitimate argument. All the moves just make way more sense when you get why we’re doing it.
I think you're right in terms of this just being a mission to hurt Putin. No one in their right mind thought Ukraine could win this no matter how the administration spun it. And it's effing sinister they purposely stalled peace talks so Biden could continue piling up tens of thousands of dead Ukrainians (& counting) to try & stick it to Vlad.
The Deep State Neocons are playing him like a cheap fiddle. He isn't going to have a country left. But, hey we are draining Russia.
Biden openly stated he was going to make Saudi Arabia "a pariah." Didn't work. Then, Biden's stated goal of isolating Russia, you guessed it, didn't work. If anything, Russia has now bolstered relations with China & the Saudi's.
I get it, but the Crimea talk was so unserious. That was a tell. That had been Russia's since Obama was in office.
I’m watching Band of Brothers right now for the first time and there are probably better examples, but it kind of reminds me of the idea that we’d be in “Berlin by Christmas.” It was unrealistic and the people saying it would’ve known it was unrealistic, but you don’t want to message to the guys going in “hey, we’re going to be here a few years, buckle up.”
What part don't they control they they want to control? How is Ukraine going to remove them from those areas? Ukraine has lost a generation of men.
Stalemate with thousands dying. Our Join Chiefs said it would likely be over quickly. Now we are just funneling millions into a corrupt govt involved in a Stalemate wirh another corrupt government over territory thst doesn't mean a hill of beans in our national interest.
You're just an unintelligent and selfish hypocrite who is stupid enough to believe we don't realize your unintelligent and selfish hypocrisy. Thousands dying is inconsequential to you as evidenced in your never having any concern for thousands dying in afghanistan over a 20 year period. That same hypocrisy is obvious when you talk about the money spent. Once again you never mentioned cost regarding afghanistan that cost 26x what we've spent in Ukraine. You agreed to turn over afghanistan to a corrupt government after all that cost, and you agreed with your orange jesus when he set the timeline to do so.
One big difference between Afghanistan and Ukraine. We had American soldiers in Afghanistan.
That IS a big difference, oath breaker. A difference I'm happy about.
There are thousand dying in Africa, among other places. We had a national interest in Afghanistan following 9-11. We also had service members serving there and were fighting enemies of the USA who had previously helped or assisted in attacking us. What national interest do we have in some Russian speaking territory in eastern Ukraine?
Yeah, for about the first 5 of 20 years.
If we fail to act in Ukraine it would embolden Vladimir Putin and his fellow autocrats by demonstrating the United States will surrender in the face of saber-rattling
