FOOTBALL GAME THREAD Va Tech
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I’ll posit an opinion - Rifle is a thread -baiting jerk who loves nothing more than getting someone going and egging them on into futility. If everyone just stopped responding, this forum would be a happier place!
You are right, I shouldn't have fallen for it. But he's good at it.
I should’ve put “almost” in front of nothing, because he loves himself more than anything! 😂
I'm not sure how I can explain your intellectual dishonesty any easier, so I will use numbers this time:
1) You used a stat (QBR) as support for your argument Stone is bad.
2) You claimed that Marshall hasn't had good QB since Cato.
3) I showed numerous major stats showing that, as freshman, Wells and Litton were on par with Cato when he was a senior.
So if you want to use major stats (after just two games) to claim that Stone is bad, you have to be open to using major stats showing that other Marshall QBs were as good as freshman as Cato was as a senior.
I'm not sure I got "bent out of shape" anywhere in this thread other than having to contort to see which way you would change your argument next.
Marshall fans, including on this board, were awful to Fancher. Calling him "trash," saying "he is shit," saying you hope he transfers, etc. is not being a Marshall fans. Sending those things to him on social media and posting them on Twitter is the same.
Why lie? That's not why Huff made his comment. It's not why I and others have called out those people on here. Claiming you just "thought the backup should get a chance" is about as dishonest as the straw man you got called out for earlier. It's about as dishonest as claiming that all of his throws were jump balls.
Nobody said anything about that, but again, it goes back to struggling with reading comprehension.
So you lied when you posted this in an earlier post, huh?
You're about as good at arguing honestly and keeping your word as you are at discussing quarterback play.
Day-by-day, you sound more and more like a giant crybaby. I thought you said you were r-e-t-i-r-e-d, but you clearly meant r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d.
And here is perfect and timely proof what I mean:
So, how does Utah’s head coach — after many pleas for Rising to stay healthy — grade the quarterback’s efforts to protect himself?
Has he done everything he can to avoid unnecessary hits?
“Not everything,” Whittingham said. “But, that’s who he is. He’s so competitive. He’s a fierce competitor. ... We’d like to see him be even more cautious and cognizant of staying out of harm’s way. But, again, it’s hard when you got a guy that’s that competitive.”
His extra effort resulted in Baylor defensive lineman Trevan Ma’ae walloping him into Baylor’s sideline water coolers, which injured two fingers on his right hand and kept him out for the rest of the contest.
It wasn’t the first time Rising has put himself in harm’s way this season.
During Utah’s contest against Southern Utah two weeks ago, Rising absorbed several hits while scrambling late in the second quarter.
“I’m not fired up about it,” Ludwig said last week of Rising taking those hits. “He’s got to hook, slide and protect himself. We always talk about protecting the ball, protect the team and the quarterback.
“We don’t want to lose that position. But the other end of that spectrum would be that he gained a lot of confidence taking those hits and popping back up. But we’re going to try to minimize those. He wants to be here for the long haul. So, I anticipate seeing improvement with that in terms of protecting himself.”
Here’s what Kyle Whittingham thought of the play that injured QB Cam Rising
Has Cam Rising done everything he can to stay healthy? "Not everything," Kyle Whittingham says.
1. I used QBR to show that both Earle and Fancher seem to be the same level QB at least this season.
2. Marshall hasn't had a good QB since Cato.
3. If you think Wells and Litton were as good as Cato as Freshmen then say it. But I don't think they were.
People who attacked him personally or sent him messages on social media should not have done so. That's out of bounds and I said last year, even though I wanted to see someone else and that I didn't think he was the guy, that doesn't mean he should be personally attacked. There were others both irl and on this board who echoed the same thing.
Why did Huff make his comment? I absolutely thought the backup deserved a chance and think so again this year. I didn't think that Fancher was a bad guy, I didn't think he deserved to be personally attacked. Then there was the report that Fancher's family came out and said it wasn't true. I'm sure people messaged him and I'm sure they got personal when they shouldn't have. I would also assume that happens in almost every college football town in America. It doesn't make it right, but it happens.
1. "Fans were horrible to Fancher"
2. "Fans have been horrible to all the QBS we've had since Cato"
3. "Fans have started it again (and then you said it never stopped) week 1 this year with Earle"
You are insinuating that fans are doing the same things to Earle as they did to Fancher. That is why I said what I said. Sorry, I know you don't like to listen.
And here is perfect and timely proof what I mean:
So, how does Utah’s head coach — after many pleas for Rising to stay healthy — grade the quarterback’s efforts to protect himself?
Has he done everything he can to avoid unnecessary hits?
“Not everything,” Whittingham said. “But, that’s who he is. He’s so competitive. He’s a fierce competitor. ... We’d like to see him be even more cautious and cognizant of staying out of harm’s way. But, again, it’s hard when you got a guy that’s that competitive.”
His extra effort resulted in Baylor defensive lineman Trevan Ma’ae walloping him into Baylor’s sideline water coolers, which injured two fingers on his right hand and kept him out for the rest of the contest.
It wasn’t the first time Rising has put himself in harm’s way this season.
During Utah’s contest against Southern Utah two weeks ago, Rising absorbed several hits while scrambling late in the second quarter.
“I’m not fired up about it,” Ludwig said last week of Rising taking those hits. “He’s got to hook, slide and protect himself. We always talk about protecting the ball, protect the team and the quarterback.
“We don’t want to lose that position. But the other end of that spectrum would be that he gained a lot of confidence taking those hits and popping back up. But we’re going to try to minimize those. He wants to be here for the long haul. So, I anticipate seeing improvement with that in terms of protecting himself.”
Here’s what Kyle Whittingham thought of the play that injured QB Cam Rising
Has Cam Rising done everything he can to stay healthy? "Not everything," Kyle Whittingham says.www.sltrib.com
Do you happen to know the situation in which Rising was hurt?
2nd quarter. Utah up 23-0, he rolls out and gets caught up and can't throw the ball away. Not fighting for extra yards, not a 3rd down and short late in the game and he slides short of the sticks. Not someone trying to win the game. 23-0, second quarter.
So yeah, I think if he had been going for a first down late in a game with the game on the line the coach would have been ok with it.
Lying again, huh?
So you didn't answer. Brilliant.
You're the one who used a stat as argument about comparing quarterbacks. I did the same to rebut your claim, yet you don't accept it even though you did the same exact thing. Intellectual dishonesty.
So then why lie and claim that it was just fans wanting to see the backup play? You know that wasn't the issue with the comments regarding Fancher. If you know it was far different, why claim it was just fans wanting the backup? You know that wasn't the issue. Dishonesty.
Considering that I own property about two miles from Utah's campus, that I know Andy Ludwig, and that I lived in SLC for a couple of years and went to many Utah games, I think I am quite familiar with all of Cam's injuries.
They were both three possession games. A three-possession game in the second quarter is more likely to go either way than a three-possession game with eight minutes left in the game. The point, which I know you will not understand, is that this is yet another scenario where a QB has repeatedly been told to not take a hit, get down, etc. It's why it's reasonable for a QB to default to that when that is all he has ever been told to do and practice.
You’re the living embodiment if 3-year letterman. The problem is he’s in on the joke and you’re just genuinely an arrogant… person
Anyways, this is beyond a waste of my time at this point. I hope in the future our QB won’t slide in that situation (but honestly I’d rather just have an offense that can move the ball). Hopefully our offense doesn’t continue to look the way it did last year. And hopefully, our QB doesn’t rank in the bottom 3rd of FBS schools again.
Oh and AJ Turner needs to be the starting RB too. ✌️
Tuner might be going forward. Huff said that he broke his hand in the first game and had surgery Tuesday to fix it and is 100% now.You’re the living embodiment if 3-year letterman. The problem is he’s in on the joke and you’re just genuinely an arrogant… person
Anyways, this is beyond a waste of my time at this point. I hope in the future our QB won’t slide in that situation (but honestly I’d rather just have an offense that can move the ball). Hopefully our offense doesn’t continue to look the way it did last year. And hopefully, our QB doesn’t rank in the bottom 3rd of FBS schools again.
Oh and AJ Turner needs to be the starting RB too. ✌️
You mean there was an actual reason why Turner didn’t get more carries Saturday and it wasn’t just the coaches decided to run other guys instead?? Say it ain’t so!!!
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More homoerotic fantasies from my fans. It’s not going to happen, Chucky. Go back to sticking it in that giant mud hole in your front yard.
Cato senior, just under 500 rushing yards and 8 rushing TDs. 155.4 passer rating. 40 passing TDs.
Wells freshman, 174 rushing yards with 2 rushing TDs, 141 passer rating, 18 passing TDs.
On another note, you cited Wells yards per game from his soph year. Wells threw for just under 2,100 yards his fr year, 209 yards per game. He completed 61% his fr year, 66% his soph year. You want to use his soph stats, call them fr stats and ignore his soph 16TD/13INT performance.
Cato accounted for 48 TDs his senior year even with a 1,900 yard running back. His 40 passing TDs that season were only 8 less than Wells had for his 4 year career.
Litton’s fr year was the easiest schedule Marshall has played since joining 1-A in 1997. It ranked in the 130s when there was only 128 FBS team.
You know enough about the game to know you are peddling BS through the process of statistical manipulation. Cato was highly productive with his yards and opportunities. It’s why we scored over 40 points in 11 games that season. Cato threw one less TD in 14 games than Litton and Wells did combined in their 22 starts their fr years.
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