wow that was my first semester at Marshall as well. What High School did you go to?
We are screwed if this keeps trending (Socialism)
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Having put myself through MU, it's discouraging today's young people don't have that opportunity:
https://www.marketwatch.com/graphics/college-debt-now-and-then/
"A student making a part-time, minimum-wage salary could pay for 106.5% of University of Central Florida's cost in 1987, while an equivalent job would cover 68.2% in 2016."
I'm not sure how big of a finger should be pointed toward govt support (state and/or national), but my guess is it's substantial. We might want to revisit state/national support back in the 70s. I don't recall us being on the verge of going commie back then. At any rate, not sure supporting college would make us "Formula 1-Jazz-Nutjob" socialists either.
This is a poor argument, because tuition rates are affected by the amount of substation from state government. The continuing trend is for less subsidization per student. The difference has to come from somewhere.
With a little research and math, I bet you could figure out the actual cost per credit hour for your days vs today.
Taking those numbers into consideration. I have it at $16.80 in 1980 and $280.00 in 2019.
To young people struggling to go to college. I would recommend doing the first 2 years at a community college and then transferring in to the 4 year college.
The fact that a in-state credit hour (that's subsidized, BTW...which was the major point of my post) without any fees is $292 shows you have flunked this exam.
The fact that a in-state credit hour (that's subsidized, BTW...which was the major point of my post) without any fees is $292 shows you have flunked this exam.
To be honest, I just did divided $4200 by 15 credit hours. I don't know the exact cost and didn't take time to look. But hey, I'll be the first to admit I hate math and didn't do well in it. I'd never be an accountant or tax guy. LOL!
I would also suggest avoiding a career as a researcher
Yeah, I don't take life too seriously and that's the way I like it. Those dudes are so tense, you can stick a lump of coal up their ass and in two weeks, they would shit a diamond.
Frankly, I don't see how people have time to look up random stuff on the internet. Do they not have real jobs?
It's the opposite! Cuts to public education funding has forced schools to raise tuition. Ask Marshall faculty and administrators!
OH yes, I am sure educators have been saying that for decades. That would be a fair assessment.
I highly doubt the cuts to higher ed, which I don’t agree with cutting education budgets, equal the rise in govt spending on student loans
I am sure building multi million dollar rec centers has nothing to do with the costs either.
What choice does Marshall (and other schools) have? Unless MU wants to be a withering commuter school in a dying state (exactly what Charleston lawyers and WVU scum want), it has to attract out of area students. Out of state students are lucrative, as they pay full cost tuition.
Is Marshall actually doing that? Attracting out of state students. . Too damn expensive for out of state students.
Marshall basically has three options -
1. Increase enrollment quickly.
2. Increase the student fees
3. Cut back on non academic programs - tough choices that won't be pleasant.
1. Increase enrollment quickly.
2. Increase the student fees
3. Cut back on non academic programs - tough choices that won't be pleasant.
Yes.
$10k a semester for tuition is a bargain for kids that want to go out of state.
It's true. The state has reduced higher education funding the last four years and Marshall's cut in 2018 was 8.1%. School's have no other choice. This is being done all over the country. Marshall has had a working group on campus, folks from various disciplines, reviewing all programs and associated costs, to recommend cuts and saving protocols, for the last 4 years. The draconian cut this year forced the Board of Governors to increase tuition.
Marshall has 81% WV students, 1% International Students and 18% out of state students. WVU has 49% WV students. Marshall keeps improving in out of state recruiting, but needs to do better.
Okay, colemag, explain to me why the government should use tax dollars to fund the private education of select students, or any students. There are several negatives involved with it.
- only half of those receiving Pell Grants graduate versus 60 of all students. Pell Grants only cover about 55%, on average, of public school tuition. So these low income kids end up taking out loans to pay for the rest, leaving half with nothing more than debt after their failed college experiment.
- this funding permits many kids who are ill equipped for college a means to go. In addition to the fact that half won't graduate, this inflated, artificial demand increases costs for everyone.
- the farce that everyone should go to college has significantly damaged the pool of skill labor in the trades, jobs that pay as well as, or better, than many jobs requiring a degree.
- a college education is not a right guaranteed in this country by our Constitution. It should be up to each state to decide how they want to fund education, including the financial assistance to any prospective student.
What I think would be a good replacement - the schools should partner with the students in education. If a kid wants to go to Marshall and can't afford it, and Marshall wants them to attend, Marshall should work out a payment plan with that student. It would certainly make the schools more invested in the success of the student. If a kid isn't cutting it, they better get them with tutors or boot them out. They better educate them well so they can be repaid, and they better not offer BS majors where the job will never cover the cost of the schooling.
- only half of those receiving Pell Grants graduate versus 60 of all students. Pell Grants only cover about 55%, on average, of public school tuition. So these low income kids end up taking out loans to pay for the rest, leaving half with nothing more than debt after their failed college experiment.
- this funding permits many kids who are ill equipped for college a means to go. In addition to the fact that half won't graduate, this inflated, artificial demand increases costs for everyone.
- the farce that everyone should go to college has significantly damaged the pool of skill labor in the trades, jobs that pay as well as, or better, than many jobs requiring a degree.
- a college education is not a right guaranteed in this country by our Constitution. It should be up to each state to decide how they want to fund education, including the financial assistance to any prospective student.
What I think would be a good replacement - the schools should partner with the students in education. If a kid wants to go to Marshall and can't afford it, and Marshall wants them to attend, Marshall should work out a payment plan with that student. It would certainly make the schools more invested in the success of the student. If a kid isn't cutting it, they better get them with tutors or boot them out. They better educate them well so they can be repaid, and they better not offer BS majors where the job will never cover the cost of the schooling.
This is ridiculous, Matt Bevin.
Universities not only have a mission to train the business people, nurses, doctors, and teachers of the future, but also to promote the arts, the humanities, and all areas of research.
A world without art and history sounds like a world full of automatons. Which is probably what our corporate overlords desire. But it's not a world I want to live in. Shit, it's not a world humans have lived in since the birth of civilization.
No major is bullshit if it covers the talents and dreams of the individuals enrolled in it. Will every art major have their works in the great galleries of the world? No. Will every business major actually be good in business? No. That's life.
One of the reasons Western Civilization is superior to other cultures is the development of well-rounded individuals, educated in reason, logic, philosophy, and introspection of one's self within the larger world.
You were doing good with looking at the over-demand and over-emphasis of traditional four year educations with a strong dose of liberal arts. It's not for everyone, and certainly many who go down this road don't belong/can't hang. We need to fix that. But your ideal higher education ignores the foundations of our culture and democracy.
Not aware of current recruitment policies or outreach efforts. I do know there is an effort to communicate Marshall has a family like atmosphere with caring faculty, administrators, and special programs for students with special needs, i.e., the HELP program for students with learning problems, and the College Program for Students with Autism Spectrum Disorders. Not many universities can offer one of these programs. As a result, most students using these programs at Marshall are from out of state. These are excellent programs and have helped in recruiting out of state students.
Raoul, don't have a cow by not understanding what I'm saying. All those majors would be available for those that could pay for them, but if you want someone else to finance your studies you need to find a private source of funds.
To be honest, as a parent of near high school age students, there is no chance I pay out of state tuition to send my kids to Marshall. First, Huntington is not the same place it was when I attended MU. It is a shithole and hub for most drug trafficking in southern Ohio, southwest West Virginia, and eastern Kentucky. Second, there are much better in and out of state schools available for the same or slightly higher tuition. Third, it's not like there are tons of employment options available in Huntington it WV for Marshall grads to jump in to. I love Marshall, and loved my time there, but there is zero chance I let my kids go there.
What does this have to do with selecting a college? Specifically undergrad.
As a Huntington native (who lived there the first 22 years of my life) with many family members still living there...I want a thriving strong Marshall. It’s the last hope for that region to maintain what it has and the last hope to tap into a younger generation for any chance of rebuilding and improving the region’s future.
Bottom line, if a kid feels a connection to Marshall Univ, and wishes to attend, I hope more parents “allow” them the opportunity to be a part of a place that truly is the heart and soul of that town. It’s the one gem in that region that provides the basis for any path to overcome the obstacles the region faces.
Some regional schools are located in places where local employers seek out grads of those schools for entry level positions. Just pointing out Marshall doesn't even have that going for it as a selling point.
IF you are a Marshall grad and are a member of the Alumni Assoc. ($50 minimum per year, I believe) check out the Legacy Tuition Program. Your kids can get in-state tuition. And, contrary to popular belief, the Huntington area is not the worst area in WV as it relates to drugs and crime.
You literally said the school should not offer such majors. If that is not what you meant, perhaps you could have used some more of those useless English classes.
It's not like you are the first RWNJ to suggest this (again, Bevin). Remember, we are talking about state-supported institutions, as you specifically mentioned Marshall. Are you suggesting half of the majors at Marshall receive zero state funding? Because someone else is certainly financing those programs, even for cash paying students. Will students be required to pay full, non-subsidized cost for required courses in these useless departments? Or did you just not fully think through your proposal?
You sure it is in state for the legacy program? When we checked a few years ago it was a discounted rate, something like 3 grand off tuition, not full blown in state tuition.
Marshall for $20k to 30k a year by the time you add housing? No thanks.
