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Zelensky is wearing on Trump's nerves.

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The man refuses to negotiate. At some point his own people are going to turn on him as well. Much of the money we sent is missing. Russia now has the upper hand because Zelensky wouldn't negotiate when Ukraine was doing better.

This guy is going to get steamrolled. The longer he waits the Russian army is going to advance to the Dnieper River and then Ukraine is in a real world of hurt. Russia may go ahead and take Odessa along the way. The previous Mush Brains in DC encouraged this fool for not negotiating early on when the Ukrainians were doing better than the Russians. Now Russia has ramped up their war machine, industrial base, and is stronger now.
 
The man refuses to negotiate. At some point his own people are going to turn on him as well. Much of the money we sent is missing. Russia now has the upper hand because Zelensky wouldn't negotiate when Ukraine was doing better.

This guy is going to get steamrolled. The longer he waits the Russian army is going to advance to the Dnieper River and then Ukraine is in a real world of hurt. Russia may go ahead and take Odessa along the way. The previous Mush Brains in DC encouraged this fool for not negotiating early on when the Ukrainians were doing better than the Russians. Now Russia has ramped up their war machine, industrial base, and is stronger now.
putin puppet idiot magatmusker SNOT wants ukraine to give up territory taken by a hostile enemy invasion. In other words, SNOT wants ukraine to reward russia and putin for an unprovoked attack and murder of the ukranian people. SNOT is unwilling to financially support a democracy to fight off a fascist enemy. SNOT wants to save a dime he'll never see.
 
He is in no position to negotiate. He will never pay back what he owes and never thought he would need to. I guess the reality of his current situation just hasn't completely set in yet, when you're being handed millions in funds and equipment without question.
 
Tough situation. We side with Putin too much he will feel emboldened and might mis-calculate later under another administration. On the other hand, we cannot simply give tons of $$ to Ukraine, just to see some disappear and nothing to return on our investment. But we need to remember Putin started the conflict, not Zelenskyy.
 
Tough situation. We side with Putin too much he will feel emboldened and might mis-calculate later under another administration. On the other hand, we cannot simply give tons of $$ to Ukraine, just to see some disappear and nothing to return on our investment. But we need to remember Putin started the conflict, not Zelenskyy.
Get out of it and let them settle it. Odessa, Crimea, eastern regions are largely Russian. The rest of Ukraine is not. This is an age old battle and the NATO idea for Ukraine was stupid. The Russians have been invaded 5 times(if I remember correctly) though Ukraine as it is a major land gap straight to Moscow. So, NATO there was never going to happen. It will be akin to the Chinese setting up a major base across the border from El Paso, TX. Not gonna happen.

Zelensky ****ed and was talked into by the chorines in DC and Europe of extending the war. He should have cut a deal when the Russians appeared to be on the ropes in the northeast of Ukraine. Instead they came up with stupid shit like go on a spring counter offensive and never made it past the first line of Russian defense and their men were lead into a meat grinder. Then, did stupid shit like go into Russia proper. Meanwhile the Russians got better and battle and ramping up their industrial base Ukraine is toast. The longer that dipshit waits the more people will die and more land Russia will grab. Zelensky is negotiating from a point of weakness now. The Russians have the upper hand. he ****ed up.
 
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The cost of human life in this war is a staggering number. Makes the US vietnam death totals look miniscule. Amazing seeing all the anti (vietnam) war commies now demonstrate their bloodthirst.
 
From VP JD Vance:

This is moralistic garbage, which is unfortunately the rhetorical currency of the globalists because they have nothing else to say.

For three years, President Trump and I have made two simple arguments: first, the war wouldn't have started if President Trump was in office; second, that neither Europe, nor the Biden administration, nor the Ukrainians had any pathway to victory. This was true three years ago, it was true two years ago, it was true last year, and it is true today.

And for three years, the concerns of people who were obviously right were ignored. What is Niall's actual plan for Ukraine? Another aid package? Is he aware of the reality on the ground, of the numerical advantage of the Russians, of the depleted stock of the Europeans or their even more depleted industrial base?

Instead, he quotes from a book about George HW Bush from a different historical period and a different conflict. That's another currency of these people: reliance on irrelevant history.

President Trump is dealing with reality, which means dealing with facts. And here are some facts:

Number one, while our Western European allies' security has benefitted greatly from the generosity of the United States, they pursue domestic policies (on migration and censorship) that offend the sensibilities of most Americans and defense policies that assume continued over-reliance.

Number two, Russians have a massive numerical advantage in manpower and weapons in Ukraine, and that advantage will persist regardless of further Western aid packages. Again, the aid is *currently* flowing.

Number three, the United States retains substantial leverage over both parties to the conflict.

Number four, ending the conflict requires talking to the people involved in starting it and maintaining it.

Number five, the conflict has placed--and continues to place--stress on tools of American statecraft, from military stockpiles to sanctions (and so much else). We believe the continued conflict is bad for Russia, bad for Ukraine, and bad for Europe. But most importantly, it is bad for the United States.

Given the above facts, we must pursue peace, and we must pursue it now. President Trump ran on this, he won on this, and he is right about this. It is lazy, ahistorical nonsense to attack as "appeasement" every acknowledgment that America's interest must account for the realities of the conflict.

That interest--not moralisms or historical illiteracy--will guide President Trump's policy in the weeks to come.And thank God for that.
 
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From VP JD Vance:

This is moralistic garbage, which is unfortunately the rhetorical currency of the globalists because they have nothing else to say.

For three years, President Trump and I have made two simple arguments: first, the war wouldn't have started if President Trump was in office; second, that neither Europe, nor the Biden administration, nor the Ukrainians had any pathway to victory. This was true three years ago, it was true two years ago, it was true last year, and it is true today.

And for three years, the concerns of people who were obviously right were ignored. What is Niall's actual plan for Ukraine? Another aid package? Is he aware of the reality on the ground, of the numerical advantage of the Russians, of the depleted stock of the Europeans or their even more depleted industrial base?

Instead, he quotes from a book about George HW Bush from a different historical period and a different conflict. That's another currency of these people: reliance on irrelevant history.

President Trump is dealing with reality, which means dealing with facts. And here are some facts:

Number one, while our Western European allies' security has benefitted greatly from the generosity of the United States, they pursue domestic policies (on migration and censorship) that offend the sensibilities of most Americans and defense policies that assume continued over-reliance.

Number two, Russians have a massive numerical advantage in manpower and weapons in Ukraine, and that advantage will persist regardless of further Western aid packages. Again, the aid is *currently* flowing.

Number three, the United States retains substantial leverage over both parties to the conflict.

Number four, ending the conflict requires talking to the people involved in starting it and maintaining it.

Number five, the conflict has placed--and continues to place--stress on tools of American statecraft, from military stockpiles to sanctions (and so much else). We believe the continued conflict is bad for Russia, bad for Ukraine, and bad for Europe. But most importantly, it is bad for the United States.

Given the above facts, we must pursue peace, and we must pursue it now. President Trump ran on this, he won on this, and he is right about this. It is lazy, ahistorical nonsense to attack as "appeasement" every acknowledgment that America's interest must account for the realities of the conflict.

That interest--not moralisms or historical illiteracy--will guide President Trump's policy in the weeks to come.And thank God for that.
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So I guess Ukraine should have just rolled over and allowed Russia to have their way with them. It's a sad day when our President is kissing the a$$ of a Russian dictator and regurgitating Russian propaganda.

Ukraine didn't start this war. NATO didn't start this war. Russia started it and under zero circumstances should they be rewarded by even an inch of Ukrainian soil.

The U.S. used to stand for something. Other countries used to fear but respect us. They no longer do and that is getting exponentially worse every time Trump or Vance makes another remark caudling to the sensitivities of Putin.

If we had any balls, we'd stop p*ssy footing around and tell Russia to get the F out of Ukraine or else.

Russia has a problem with NATO (or at least that's their excuse). That's on Russia, not on NATO, Europe, or the U.S. None of the latter group did a single thing wrong.
 
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The US gave Ukraine an insane amount of money, advanced weapons systems, Abrams tanks, F-16’s, armor, parts, & ammunition. Overlooked Ukrainian actions that would otherwise have drawn from a response from NATO, including Biden’s go ahead with cluster bombings. All for an inevitable ending that won’t improve just because we’re throwing money at it
 
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So I guess Ukraine should have just rolled over and allowed Russia to have their way with them. It's a sad day when our President is kissing the a$$ of a Russian dictator and regurgitating Russian propaganda.

Ukraine didn't start this war. NATO didn't start this war. Russia started it and under zero circumstances should they be rewarded by even an inch of Ukrainian soil.

The U.S. used to stand for something. Other countries used to fear but respect us. They no longer do and that is getting exponentially worse every time Trump or Vance makes another remark caudling to the sensitivities of Putin.

If we had any balls, we'd stop p*ssy footing around and tell Russia to get the F out of Ukraine or else.

Russia has a problem with NATO (or at least that's their excuse). That's on Russia, not on NATO, Europe, or the U.S. None of the latter group did a single thing wrong.
Or else what? We don't even have enough weapons systems left, like Javeline and artillery among others . Or else what, loud mouth? You going to go to war in Ukraine? Let's hear it. I get tired of hearing this crap. Who's son or daughter do you want to die over Ukraine and an on-going battle over Russia and Ukraine? Let's hear it.

right now we would get our asses handed to us. That's a reality. Let's hear it what would you really do? There no reason for us to go to war over Ukraine. That just plain stupid.

What would you do if China put a big base or three right across from Texas and California? Yehhh, that's the same as NATO putting one in Ukraine. NATO is suppossed to be defensive not a regime to take over Russia. Not one American life should die in Ukraine and their war with Russia.
 
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If we had any balls, we'd stop p*ssy footing around and tell Russia to get the F out of Ukraine or else.
Or else, what??? Seriously...what?

Despite our tax dollars "best" efforts, Russia controls significant portions of Ukraine. They won those pieces of Ukraine. They beat Ukraine and control those areas despite our money, equipment, and big fancy speeches and promises by Joe Mush Admin. That's what happens when you lose. You give up something to save what you have left.
Russia has a problem with NATO (or at least that's their excuse). That's on Russia, not on NATO, Europe, or the U.S. None of the latter group did a single thing wrong
You mean breaking agreements we, along with NATO and Russia had in place for decades? Yes, Nato and the US are directly responsible for this war. We helped to overthrow a Ukranian election to help put us here too. This situation is exactly where many said it would go if we instigated it: Russia controlling parts or all of Ukraine, countless lives lost needlessly, and the US funding it by the $billions while Nato watches and Ukraine's elite move to the French Riveria with our tax $$$$.
 
We want to hear it or else what? What do you propose we do? Would you die for Ukraine?

Most Americans don't even know the historical context of Ukraine and Russia.
 
Or else what? We don't even have enough weapons systems left, like Javeline and artillery among others . Or else what, loud mouth? You going to go to war in Ukraine? Let's hear it. I get tired of hearing this crap. Who's son or daughter do you want to die over Ukraine and an on-going battle over Russia and Ukraine? Let's hear it.

right now we would get our asses handed to us. That's a reality. Let's hear it what would you really do? There no reason for us to go to war over Ukraine. That just plain stupid.

What would you do if China put a big base or three right across from Texas and California? Yehhh, that's the same as NATO putting one in Ukraine. NATO is suppossed to be defensive not a regime to take over Russia. Not one American life should die in Ukraine and their war with Russia.
Please point me to the NATO bases in Ukraine.

I don’t give a shit what you are sick of hearing as long, as you are a Trump apologist.

If you believe we exhausted our weapons supply, you are completely disillusioned. And if you believe Russia has the weapons capacity to match the U.S. and Europe, you are doubly disillusioned.

Faced with all out war, Russia will blink just the way they did in Cuba. Putin is barely holding on as it is. The U.S. sure as hell shouldn’t be the one to blink but of course, “The Art of the Deal” strikes again. Putin laughs at Trump behind the scenes. He owns him and makes him look weak and pathetic.

NATO has not expanded to Ukraine yet Russia has invaded Ukraine twice. There is no justification for either. And who is Russia to demand Ukraine or anyone else not join NATO? Ukraine would be totally justified in joining based solely on the 2014 invasion of Crimea.

As a nation, we joined this fight and committed to the sovereignty of Ukraine. We are now just attempting to wash our hands of it. What a sad, embarrassing moment for a once proud nation.

If Trump had taken the completely opposite stance, you would support him balls to the wall.
 
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We want to hear it or else what? What do you propose we do? Would you die for Ukraine?

Most Americans don't even know the historical context of Ukraine and Russia.
I don’t know about you, but I have a job, plus your posts aren’t the top priority in my life. Show a little patience there Yoda.
 
Or else, what??? Seriously...what?

Despite our tax dollars "best" efforts, Russia controls significant portions of Ukraine. They won those pieces of Ukraine. They beat Ukraine and control those areas despite our money, equipment, and big fancy speeches and promises by Joe Mush Admin. That's what happens when you lose. You give up something to save what you have left.

You mean breaking agreements we, along with NATO and Russia had in place for decades? Yes, Nato and the US are directly responsible for this war. We helped to overthrow a Ukranian election to help put us here too. This situation is exactly where many said it would go if we instigated it: Russia controlling parts or all of Ukraine, countless lives lost needlessly, and the US funding it by the $billions while Nato watches and Ukraine's elite move to the French Riveria with our tax $$$$.
You mean the agreement that Russia dictated on their own terms? After continuing to invade border nations, Russia is in no position to dictate who does or does not join NATO.
 
You mean the agreement that Russia dictated on their own terms?
No. The agreement Nato agreed to.
We are now just attempting to wash our hands of it. What a sad, embarrassing moment for a once proud nation.
Where were you during Obama's "red line" declaration, hypocrite?
Faced with all out war, Russia will blink just the way they did in Cuba
^^^Look at this guy. 😂 Using Cuba as an example of countries coming to the back door of other non-alliance countries. Liberals wanting to put the world on the brink of WW3 in something to behold.
Putin is barely holding on as it is.
Is he really? Or does he have China in his back pocket ready to do whatever is necessary to get us bogged down in a war and really weaken us, while they continue to move into key positions around the world?
 
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I’ve read several books on Putin and one thing that is a constant about the man is his singular focus in achieving a goal. In the case of Ukraine, it won’t matter if it costs 10 Russians or 10 million Russians, Putin will continue this war until he gets what he wants. This worries me a great deal.
 
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Seeing herdftblfan now demand we tell Russia to get out “or else”….after watching Mush Brain sit on his ass for 3 years encouraging 1 million Ukrainians go to their slaughter is the height of a sickened delusional hypocrisy. But hey…at least Joe pocketed a few $mil from it, right?
 
Seeing herdftblfan now demand we tell Russia to get out “or else”….after watching Mush Brain sit on his ass for 3 years encouraging 1 million Ukrainians go to their slaughter is the height of a sickened delusional hypocrisy. But hey…at least Joe pocketed a few $mil from it, right?
Watching you magats grovel under Bush and your orange jesus while we lost lives and trillions of dollars in afghanistan and iraq, and leaving the place the way we found it, is the "height of a sickened delusional hypocrisy."
 
Tough situation. We side with Putin too much he will feel emboldened and might mis-calculate later under another administration. On the other hand, we cannot simply give tons of $$ to Ukraine, just to see some disappear and nothing to return on our investment. But we need to remember Putin started the conflict, not Zelenskyy.
That’s debatable. Zelensky starting putting out feelers on joining NATO.
 
Watch the little NATO timeline expansion map and then look at the countries that have announced plans to request membership and tell me Putin has no basis for concern.

Which goes against what NATO was chartered to do. It was a defensive measure set up to defend against a Soviet Union attack. Defensive wing thr keyword. Then it started to grow and become offensive. Guess what? We paid for much of it. Oh and it helped start a war in Ukraine.
 
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