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Zelensky is wearing on Trump's nerves.

Mush Brains did more to damage our reputation with his Afghan withdraw debacle. To the point our allies were throwing US military officers out of their command centers during the withdraw.
 
Please point me to the NATO bases in Ukraine.

I don’t give a shit what you are sick of hearing as long, as you are a Trump apologist.

If you believe we exhausted our weapons supply, you are completely disillusioned. And if you believe Russia has the weapons capacity to match the U.S. and Europe, you are doubly disillusioned.

Faced with all out war, Russia will blink just the way they did in Cuba. Putin is barely holding on as it is. The U.S. sure as hell shouldn’t be the one to blink but of course, “The Art of the Deal” strikes again. Putin laughs at Trump behind the scenes. He owns him and makes him look weak and pathetic.

NATO has not expanded to Ukraine yet Russia has invaded Ukraine twice. There is no justification for either. And who is Russia to demand Ukraine or anyone else not join NATO? Ukraine would be totally justified in joining based solely on the 2014 invasion of Crimea.

As a nation, we joined this fight and committed to the sovereignty of Ukraine. We are now just attempting to wash our hands of it. What a sad, embarrassing moment for a once proud nation.

If Trump had taken the completely opposite stance, you would support him balls to the wall.
I didn't vote for Trump & have been against this war from the very beginning. Been critical of both sides for continued involvement with a country as corrupt as Ukraine, NATO funding, & European rebuilding commitments long before now.
Given Biden has been on the wrong side of just about every single war the left has openly criticized, they’re weirdly backing this one because of TDS.
 
I didn't vote for Trump & have been against this war from the very beginning. Been critical of both sides for continued involvement with a country as corrupt as Ukraine, NATO funding, & European rebuilding commitments long before now.
Given Biden has been on the wrong side of just about every single war the left has openly criticized, they’re weirdly backing this one because of TDS.
You're a bare-faced lying scumbag magat.
 
Seeing herdftblfan now demand we tell Russia to get out “or else”….after watching Mush Brain sit on his ass for 3 years encouraging 1 million Ukrainians go to their slaughter is the height of a sickened delusional hypocrisy. But hey…at least Joe pocketed a few $mil from it, right?
Biden also didn't do enough in my opinion. His tone was too measured and soft. Putin doesn't respond to traditional diplomacy.

Seeing you relate every post I make about Trump to Biden is the height of ignorance. One does not have to be relative to or contingent on the other and I'm not a blind supporter of either. Unlike you, I'm not a fanboy/fangirl of any politician.
 
Biden also didn't do enough in my opinion. His tone was too measured and soft. Putin doesn't respond to traditional diplomacy.

Seeing you relate every post I make about Trump to Biden is the height of ignorance. One does not have to be relative to or contingent on the other and I'm not a blind supporter of either. Unlike you, I'm not a fanboy/fangirl of any politician.
So what is the or else you propose?
 
Anybody find it weird Biden has been weirdly quiet on Ukraine? I get some former Presidents choose to give the new guy some leeway before speaking out, but given how important Biden swore this war was, he’s been oddly quiet on the matter
 
Anybody find it weird Biden has been weirdly quiet on Ukraine? I get some former Presidents choose to give the new guy some leeway before speaking out, but given how important Biden swore this war was, he’s been oddly quiet on the matter
No. He's old and barely hanging on. It was time for him to step away.
 
No. He's old and barely hanging on. It was time for him to step away.
What? He’s the entire reason we’re knuckle deep in this fiasco. I’m not arguing we should make him testify but if our support is so necessary, wouldn’t he be the guy to make the best case?
 
Biden also didn't do enough in my opinion. His tone was too measured and soft. Putin doesn't respond to traditional diplomacy.

Seeing you relate every post I make about Trump to Biden is the height of ignorance. One does not have to be relative to or contingent on the other and I'm not a blind supporter of either. Unlike you, I'm not a fanboy/fangirl of any politician.
Sure you are. And it is hypocrisy. Your boy led millions to their slaughter. And you remained silent. Own it.
 
Meh. The Trump administration spews disinformation daily so I don't know who to believe. I do agree that Ukraine should be grateful for our support and should help us recoup some of the expenses we've incurred.
Call it for what it actually is...bald-faced lies.
 
He’s got no answer. His “or else” probably resembles a bathroom incident
he won't answer. wants to act tough and say he would send in an infantry division

Reality is we need to tell Zolensky to pound sand on his own. Good luck, buddy.
 
Not really sure why Russia is so concerned with NATO. Other than the United States, every other member country is harmless and wouldn’t attack anyone.
 
^^^magats^^^THEY HAVE BENT THE KNEE TO THEIR ORANGE JESUS, THEN TO MUSK, AND NOW TO PUTIN AND RUSSIA. THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN COWARDS.
 
Not really sure why Russia is so concerned with NATO. Other than the United States, every other member country is harmless and wouldn’t attack anyone.
We threatened Panama simply because the Chinese presence in the Panama Canal was expanding beyond what we thought it should be
 
Not really sure why Russia is so concerned with NATO. Other than the United States, every other member country is harmless and wouldn’t attack anyone.
Russia has been attacked about 5 times from Ukraine. Historically it has been a problem and militarily and logistically it is a direct path to Moscow. It would be like Having 600 miles of Kansas straight to DC with no major rivers or mountain ranges to stop anything.
 
he won't answer. wants to act tough and say he would send in an infantry division
Don't blame me for not keeping up with the thread or being too damn lazy to scroll up.

Putin would have blinked but instead, Trump bent over at took it the same way he always does. He is enamored with Putin who in turn mocks him and laughs at him behind closed doors. Your boy Trump is a blustering, blowhard. He's Putin's bitch and he's embarrassing our nation.

It would never come to it because Putin would back down. We should be negotiating from a position of power and if that means using our aircraft and our pilots to bomb the hell out of Russian troops on the front line, we damn well should. Russian ammunition stockpiles aren't remotely close to the combined might of Europe and the U.S.

We could have bombed the absolute hell out of their troops and likely not lost a single aircraft.

I know. I know. WW3. That's on Russia, not us.
 
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Russia has been attacked about 5 times from Ukraine. Historically it has been a problem and militarily and logistically it is a direct path to Moscow. It would be like Having 600 miles of Kansas straight to DC with no major rivers or mountain ranges to stop anything.
When was the last time?
 
Given all his past actions and personality, that is questionable.

He has in the past. Made several nuclear threats. At the beginning of the war saying to all other nations to stay out of it and "He's serious". Last time Trump was president Putin said not to bomb Seria for the second time after the chemical attack. Trump did.
 
Let's make sure something is understood. Your orange jesus wants to find favor with putin and is more than willing to sacrifice ukraine on the altar to get it. And you magat idiots fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
 
Let's make sure something is understood. Your orange jesus wants to find favor with putin and is more than willing to sacrifice ukraine on the altar to get it. And you magat idiots fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
 
Don't blame me for not keeping up with the thread or being too damn lazy to scroll up.

Putin would have blinked but instead, Trump bent over at took it the same way he always does. He is enamored with Putin who in turn mocks him and laughs at him behind closed doors. Your boy Trump is a blustering, blowhard. He's Putin's bitch and he's embarrassing our nation.

It would never come to it because Putin would back down. We should be negotiating from a position of power and if that means using our aircraft and our pilots to bomb the hell out of Russian troops on the front line, we damn well should. Russian ammunition stockpiles aren't remotely close to the combined might of Europe and the U.S.

We could have bombed the absolute hell out of their troops and likely not lost a single aircraft.

I know. I know. WW3. That's on Russia, not us.
You do realize putin invaded under Mush Brain. He invaded under Obama and under Bush no Trump. So, there goes your sof theory. Mush Brain watched Russiaass 400,000 troops on the Ukriane border. Jesus...I was watching on commercially available satellite image on open forums. He didn't do shit.

Ww3 might be on them but Ukraine isn't worth it. Not even remotely close.
 
It would never come to it because Putin would back down.
The same way he backed down under Bush, under Obama and under Mush Brain?
You do realize putin invaded under Mush Brain. He invaded under Obama and under Bush no Trump.
no he doesn’t.
Putin who in turn mocks him
you in Russia to know? Interesting.
He has in the past.
Not really
You are clueless and ignorant.
nope.
 
It would never come to it because Putin would back down
I guess this is one of those times I'm just being mean and attacking, but it's statements like this that makes it really hard for us to take you serious.

Putin wouldn't simply back down. You do understand he has the backing of China? We, as strong of a military as we are, do NOT want to start WWII. And it's not as simple as you're trying to suggest.
 
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