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fyi Charles Huff..

I think that looking at defensive points allowed isn’t really different from stop rate. Both tell you who has the most effective defenses where it matters most.

They are both, not entirely but significantly, junk stats.

Let's say Team A has a really good offense. Their offense scores a lot or drives long enough to flip the field and give the opposing offense bad field position a lot of the time.

Team B has a putrid offense. They turn the ball over (putting their defense in short-field situations), don't put together drives/gain yards which means the opposing offense routinely gets great field position.

Team A's defense could start a drive at the opposing 10 yard line, allow a 70 yard drive, and only give up a field goal.
Team B's defense could start a drive at midfield, allow a 20 yard drive, and only give up a field goal.

Yet based on the stats you are championing (defensive points allowed and stop rate), both defenses would be tied even though one is far superior than the other.

At Footballoutsiders.com, we had a very good stat that looked at yards given up vs. remaining yards possibly gained at the start of a drive. I saw "we," because I discovered a logical error with one of their stats more than a decade ago. They partially agreed and spun that to a new stat, found out I was a coach, and frequently used me for consulting and testing. Unfortunately, after selling the site, the new owners went bankrupt, and it is gone. It was, by far, the best football site out there made by a bunch of Brown University alums.

Back to the example: In other words, Team A would allow 70 yards. Team B would allow 20 yards. Both would get stops and be given the same score using your stats, yet one defense was far better than the other.

Team A would have allowed 70 yards out of a possible 90 yards while Team B would have allowed 20 yards out of a possible 50 yards. Team B was far better.

End of half drives/junk drives would be excluded.

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Official communication from the desk of Michigan J. Herd

I don't know why Michigan is still fighting this after all of these years and showcasing himself as whiney little bitch. Listen, I an sick. I haven't been sick in years, and I have a really bad cold. So of all of the time, I suggest Michigan not being a whiney little bitch while I have a short fuse.

The reality is that I play by a different set of rules. Why? A mixture of all of these: I pack the stadium; the mods saw what I did while hacking HerdFans and are scared of me doing the same here; they find me entertaining; I share their political views; all of their intelligence combined, just like with the deplorables on here, still don't equal my intelligence.

The fact is that I am just a far superior poster to anything you will ever be, Michigan. I am the reason why the HN Hall-of-Fame was built. I am the legend of this board.

Seriously, what on earth is Michigan getting suspended for?
He said some really, really terrible things. He claimed that blacks were "savages." He claimed that women shouldn't have the right to vote. He claimed that he avoided hotels where blacks were and hated being on the same plane with blacks. He claimed Jews were purposely trying to destroy America. He made extremely homophobic comments. He claimed that no black civilization has ever prospered nor were there any societies that blacks could create on their own that would succeed.

Oh, wait. That wasn't MIchigan. That was your best friend, Nick Goff of Huntington, who said all of that and more.

Official communication from the desk of Michigan J. Herd

Pussy moderators: why does rifle get a free pass for doxxing other posters? Why does rifle get away with telling the moderators to suck a crank? Why do rifles rule breaking posts simply get moved to another forum?

Meanwhile, the distinguished Michigan Herd is continually suspended for much lesser so-called rules violations?

Are the mods left wing pussies? Are the mods afraid of rifle, or do they simply turn a blind eye due to having political commonality?

Are posts about demeaning the university president fair game? Would Michigan Herd be allowed to do the same?

fyi Charles Huff..

Stop rate is an indicator that declines rapidly in predictability when you start getting under 70%. It’s fairly obvious from your table, only 22 teams at 70% or better, then 27 teams between 69.9 and 65.4%. Those 27 teams are a mix of good, average, and bad teams.

The average team has 11-12 possessions a game. I think that looking at defensive points allowed isn’t really different from stop rate. Both tell you who has the most effective defenses where it matters most.

fyi Charles Huff..

saw this today and thought it was interesting.

What is stop rate? It's a basic measurement of success: the percentage of a defense's drives that end in punts, turnovers or a turnover on downs. Defensive coordinators have the same goal regardless of their scheme, opponent or conference: prevent points and get off the field. Stop rate is a simple metric but can offer a good reflection of a defense's effectiveness on a per-drive basis in today's faster-tempo game.

Last year, national champ Michigan finished No. 1 with a stop rate of 81.6% in its games against FBS opponents. The top 25 teams in the final 2023 stop rate standings won a total of 249 games, with seven earning conference titles. Great teams find a way to get stops in critical situations.


TeamGamesStop RatePts/Drive
1. Notre Dame1081.7%0.95
2. Ohio State1081.7%0.86
3. Army880.6%1.18
4. Texas1079.7%0.94
5. Tennessee977.8%1.19
6. James Madison976.1%1.40
7. Ole Miss975.2%1.18
8. Indiana974.5%1.38
9. Alabama974.3%1.33
10. Sam Houston1074.2%1.51
11. Oregon1072.8%1.38
12. Iowa State972.3%1.58
13. Miami (OH)1071.4%1.53
13. Penn State1071.4%1.28
15. South Carolina1071.3%1.52
16. Colorado971.2%1.64
17. Tulane1071.1%1.49
18. Oklahoma970.8%1.50
19. Northern Illinois970.6%1.46
20. Utah970.4%1.57
21. Virginia Tech1070.4%1.77
22. Iowa970%1.53
23. UConn969.5%1.49
24. SMU969.4%1.82
25. Clemson1069.1%1.74
26. Wisconsin969.1%1.75
27. Duke968.9%1.65
28. Louisiana Tech968.9%1.68
29. Nebraska968.8%1.86
30. Ohio968.6%1.69
30. California968.6%1.81
32. Auburn968%1.71
33. Navy968%1.94
33. Texas State968%1.60
35. Houston1067.8%1.83
36. Western Kentucky967.7%1.96
37. Toledo967.5%1.63
38. Colorado State967.3%1.95
39. Texas A&M967%1.72
40. Minnesota966.7%1.72
40. Kansas State966.7%1.95
40. Missouri966.7%1.89
43. UNLV966.4%1.95
44. Rice966.3%1.86
45. BYU966%1.75
46. Kentucky965.9%1.82
47. Boise State965.7%2.07
48. Pittsburgh965.5%1.97
49. Florida International965.4%1.92
49. Marshall965.4%1.9
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