two new yorkers fighting,,,pleaae no one intervere,,good laugh except for rifle not working. was hoping he landed coaching on a team
"10% of all operations is Abortions"
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Rifle, if you post the Dana Holgorsen shirtless manpile pic, I'll shop Fever into it somewhere.
Do you really not know the difference between your example above and the thread title?
"51% of babies are boys"
Or
"51% of babies is boys"
?
I've looked everywhere and it appears that the people that codified the English language didn't think far enough ahead to see that someone might not understand this and need a name for the difference.
Or
"51% of babies is boys"
?
I've looked everywhere and it appears that the people that codified the English language didn't think far enough ahead to see that someone might not understand this and need a name for the difference.
Against my better judgement I'm jumping into the abortion thread...but only to discuss grammar. *sigh*
But since I'm going through one of my bouts of insomnia,why not. First off, the use of "is" and "are" in subject-verb agreement isn't difficult for the most part. As everyone knows you use "is" with singular subjects and "are" with plural subjects. But where the confusion can sometimes come in is with "collective nouns". For example, you would say..."My family is..." and not "My family are..." Because "family" in this instance is a collective noun referring to one family. It is used as a singular subject. Denominations of money such as "100 dollars" (from example above) is used as a collective noun and is considered a single amount of money.
So you would say "10% of 100 dollars is ten dollars."
Periods of time such as "six months" is a collective noun referring to a single period of time, so we would say...
"Six months is needed for the job."
But in the title, is "operations" used as a collective noun? Collective nouns refers generally to people, animals, and things. "Operations" simply is a plural noun that is used as the subject of the title, so it should read...
"10% of all operations "are" abortions".
Source: I teach this stuff to 4th graders. That beings said, these rules always seem to have exceptions. I tell my students that when in doubt, always use what sounds intuitively correct.
But since I'm going through one of my bouts of insomnia,why not. First off, the use of "is" and "are" in subject-verb agreement isn't difficult for the most part. As everyone knows you use "is" with singular subjects and "are" with plural subjects. But where the confusion can sometimes come in is with "collective nouns". For example, you would say..."My family is..." and not "My family are..." Because "family" in this instance is a collective noun referring to one family. It is used as a singular subject. Denominations of money such as "100 dollars" (from example above) is used as a collective noun and is considered a single amount of money.
So you would say "10% of 100 dollars is ten dollars."
Periods of time such as "six months" is a collective noun referring to a single period of time, so we would say...
"Six months is needed for the job."
But in the title, is "operations" used as a collective noun? Collective nouns refers generally to people, animals, and things. "Operations" simply is a plural noun that is used as the subject of the title, so it should read...
"10% of all operations "are" abortions".
Source: I teach this stuff to 4th graders. That beings said, these rules always seem to have exceptions. I tell my students that when in doubt, always use what sounds intuitively correct.
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But can't "operations" be singular, as in.....Operations is telling us we need to strike the enemy before dawn
There have been worse thread diversions on Pullman Square over the years. I remember a thread I started about Obama back in 2007 or 2008 that turned into a masturbation discussion in under 5 responses, Teke informed us he broke the world record in the 80s.
Yes.
But not the case with the thread title. The thread title uses the adjective "all" with the subject "operations" telling us definitively that it is plural. So in that instance "are" is the correct verb.
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So, when I change the sentence: Operations is telling us we need to strike the enemy before dawn to All of operations is telling us we need to strike the enemy before dawn, is it still not singular?
You would be using the phrase incorrectly if you said, "All of operations...", because you say "All of..." prior to a pronoun and just "All..." prior to a noun.
Source: http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/all_of.htm
If used properly in the context of your example, the phrase would be written with proper subject-verb agreement if you say..."All operations are telling us that we need to strike before dawn."
Guideline, not rule.
All of creation is wonderful.
All creation is wonderful.
Neither is prior to a pronoun.
A fraction followed by a singular noun takes a singular verb.
Example: 2/3rds of all earth is water.
Doesn't it follow that percentages do the same? 66% of all earth is water.
10% of all operations is abortions.
There's a reason it's a guideline...because it illustrates the best usage of the words. In the same link it also explains that although it isn't technically incorrect in some cases, that the use of "of" after "all" prior to a noun isn't preferrable because it's both unnecessary and redundant.
In the title, the verb "are" is the correct usage for subject-verb agreement with the plural noun "operations". For anyone to argue differently they would have to enter the realm of obtuse. You're good at obtuse.
I'm done. This bores me.
In the title, the verb "are" is the correct usage for subject-verb agreement with the plural noun "operations". For anyone to argue differently they would have to enter the realm of obtuse. You're good at obtuse.
I'm done. This bores me.
Will you nerds shut the hell up and let rifle and herd fever fight? Jesus. It was entertaining.
This is just filler while Rifle bangs the incoming freshman class (females) and Fever bangs his girlfriend in the backseat of his Buick in his mother's driveway.
And London Blitz...how does any of this side argument prevent rifle and fever from going at it? Their little spat has little to do with the thread title anyway. The fact that you believe that it is somehow depriving you of rubbernecking that little fender bender confirms my belief that Mountaineer fans aren't necessarily the sharpest tools in the shed. I'd suggest you'd be better off in dialogue with your own over on Vernon's board. You at least stand a chance there.
I just enjoyed the fact that, although completely schooled by GK, extra still can't admit he was wrong. Of course, GK ruined my fun. I would have drug extra's error out over several days.
You can still drag it out. The sentence in question sounds awkward, but I believe it's grammatically sound.
Example: Twelve percent of the building has/have been renovated.
The subject is twelve percent, which will be either singular or plural depending on the object of the preposition that follows. In this sentence, the object of the preposition is building, which is always singular. So the correct answer is has.
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Example: 10% of all operations is abortions.
The subject is 10 percent, which will be either singular or plural depending on the object of the preposition that follows. In this sentence, the object of the preposition is operations, which is singular (because the word "operations" is talking about a division of management, not surgical operations). I believe the correct verb is.....is.
Which of the following do you believe are grammatically correct:
Abortions is operations performed by a doctor.
Abortions are operations performed by a doctor.
Abortion is an operation performed by a doctor.
Abortions are an operation performed by a doctor.
By the way, the opening sentence contains a context clue to help you.
Abortions is operations performed by a doctor.
Abortions are operations performed by a doctor.
Abortion is an operation performed by a doctor.
Abortions are an operation performed by a doctor.
By the way, the opening sentence contains a context clue to help you.
Twelve percent of the building has been renovated.
10% of all operations is abortions.
Explain the grammatical difference between the 2 sentences above.......
10% of all operations is abortions.
Explain the grammatical difference between the 2 sentences above.......
In the example you use...
"Twelve percent of the building..."
...you call "Twelve percent" the subject. I hate to break it to you but "Twelve percent" is an adjective that quantifies the noun, which is "building". The simple subject in that sentence is "building", not "Twelve percent".
The word "building" is singular, so the verb should agree with a singular subject. But on the other hand, if the noun is plural, you have to use a verb that agrees with a plural subject. Take the following subject for example...
"Ten percent of all operations..."
..."Ten percent" is an adjective that quantifies the noun "operations". Since "operations" is plural (meaning more than one operation or surgical procedure as used in the title) the verb that agrees should be "are" and not "is".
"Twelve percent of the building..."
...you call "Twelve percent" the subject. I hate to break it to you but "Twelve percent" is an adjective that quantifies the noun, which is "building". The simple subject in that sentence is "building", not "Twelve percent".
The word "building" is singular, so the verb should agree with a singular subject. But on the other hand, if the noun is plural, you have to use a verb that agrees with a plural subject. Take the following subject for example...
"Ten percent of all operations..."
..."Ten percent" is an adjective that quantifies the noun "operations". Since "operations" is plural (meaning more than one operation or surgical procedure as used in the title) the verb that agrees should be "are" and not "is".
The subject of a sentence is never in a prepositional phrase.
Furthermore, operations, is singular as it is a division of something, and is an uncountable noun. Just like headquarters is singular.
Furthermore, operations, is singular as it is a division of something, and is an uncountable noun. Just like headquarters is singular.
Ok now what if you read operations as a business term instead of a medical term? Im probably wrong because grammar bored me and I never paid attention but if its business operations couldnt "is" be correct?
Gee, extra refusing to answer a simple question and instead asking a question as his response. Never would have guessed that would happen.
Seriously extra, you may well be the only person I have encountered that would argue with someone specifically educated and employed to teach grammar about grammar, all while knowing that all you have to hang your hat on is your Wayne edumacation and Google.
Seriously extra, you may well be the only person I have encountered that would argue with someone specifically educated and employed to teach grammar about grammar, all while knowing that all you have to hang your hat on is your Wayne edumacation and Google.
Your question is irrelevant.
That 'someone' who is educated to teach grammar is wrong in this instance. Period. The only thing he has to hang his hat on is that he insists that "operations" are surgical operations rather than a division of business. And that same person stated that a noun in a prepositional phrase is the subject of a sentence, and that the actual subject in the sentence was an adjective. Then I was told that "all" in the prepositional phrase was the modifier that made "operations" plural, when in fact it is the singular or plural noun in the phrase that determines whether "all" is singular or plural. And evidently you bought that answer, which makes you just as wrong. I'll try to explain it to you so that even you can understand it.
10% is the subject. It can be either singular or plural depending on whether the noun in the prepositional phrase is singular or plural. "operations" (the noun in the prepositional phrase) in this case is singular because it's talking about a division of business and not surgical procedures. Therefore "operations" is an uncountable noun (uncountable nouns always require a singular verb). Summary: "10%" is singular, "operations" is singular, and therefore the verb must agree and is...is.
Funny how that Wayne edumacation works, ain't it?
Very funny how it works. Apparently it's different than the rest of the English speaking world.
