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In that case, not many states have a lower broadband connection percentage than West Virginia does. So if it’s about streaming viewers instead of television, that negates any perception of an advantage Marshall may have with a stronger fan base.

A strong fan base is great, but if it’s about streaming numbers as you claim, having one of the lowest broadband percentages in the country ruins that.

It's the same category of what the future will look like with ESPN Plus now becoming relevant.

1- TV providers are losing customers because they are becoming expensive AF
2- There has to be replacement revenue somehow, hence fillers like ESPN+ monthly charges. WVU is actually a prime example- both of their games against Kansas are on Plus this year. With paying customers supplementing the revenue, there is no faltering with the lost revenue of TV provider contracts. It's 6 1 half dozen or the other, with the exception of picking and choosing what you want to pay for instead of it all being lumped in.
3- Marshall actually CAN benefit from it since the networks will have a more cafeteria style approach.
 
In the case of AAC expansion (previously known here as the "Little Least" in its former/stronger configuration)... the TV model favors UNCC or Old Dominion...

I would have to think that Marshall would be favored above both of those schools in the cable-cutting era, as Marshall makes for more intriguing matchups than they do.
 
Yeah this is all nonsense.. thats nice that you came up with 2 scenarios, but neither of them will happen. Just because you think WVU is in the bottom half of the Big 12 (which I agree with) does not make Memphis and Cincy better options for conference expansion. If they were, they would have been taken already. Judging by your opening diatribe, you are no better than Sam in that you only look at it for reasons why WVU is going to fail. You never see the positives. Therefore, your scenarios are quite frankly shit, and hold no water. It reminds me of all the other rants I have seen on this board like "the Big 12 is on the verge of imploding"..... which has been said for years now, while in the meantime the Big 12 has grown to the 3rd highest revenue conference. I know you don't like WVU, and that is fine you're allowed to feel that way, but it clouds your judgment of what is actually fact.

Carry on...

I would urge you to actually read what I said.
If you would, you'd see your points of Memphis and Cincy are misplaced.
 
It's the same category of what the future will look like with ESPN Plus now becoming relevant.

1- TV providers are losing customers because they are becoming expensive AF
2- There has to be replacement revenue somehow, hence fillers like ESPN+ monthly charges. WVU is actually a prime example- both of their games against Kansas are on Plus this year. With paying customers supplementing the revenue, there is no faltering with the lost revenue of TV provider contracts. It's 6 1 half dozen or the other, with the exception of picking and choosing what you want to pay for instead of it all being lumped in.
3- Marshall actually CAN benefit from it since the networks will have a more cafeteria style approach.

The problem is the CUSA leadership isn't taking more innovation regarding streaming. Streaming is going to be the future and our idiot commish is squandering it away.
In a dream scenario she gets replaced with an Aresco type...aggressive pursuit of streaming with better methods for revenue and presentation.
Hopefully CUSA's approach changes...they'll have, what 7 more years to get it right before the first of the P5 TV contracts expire?
 
The era of valuing schools based on their TV market is fading... the era of valuing schools on the basis of their brand and fan base (more streaming viewers and more interesting content) is coming quickly.

WVU is well positioned for this era... and Marshall may have more leverage as well. Not many G5 schools have a fan base stronger than Marshall's.

I would agree with you case in point with Rutgers and the Big 10. Absolutely zero competitive football but a good TV market.
wvu has decently competitive football but no market. I imagine Pitt might've retaken more control over broadcast games catering to the ACC since they joined.
I admit Bill Stewart kept a potential disaster of a program afloat just good enough to have competitive appeal when they had nothing else.
Not saying he's the sole reason for wvu in the Big 12, but would they have been as lucrative had they averaged 5 wins a season?
The future is gonna be all about who brings what, and more have plenty over wvu. If wvu has as bad of a season as some fear, or takes them a while to rebuild, it puts them at a disadvantage further than someone with a bad record but good market.
 
I would agree with you case in point with Rutgers and the Big 10. Absolutely zero competitive football but a good TV market.
wvu has decently competitive football but no market. I imagine Pitt might've retaken more control over broadcast games catering to the ACC since they joined.
I admit Bill Stewart kept a potential disaster of a program afloat just good enough to have competitive appeal when they had nothing else.
Not saying he's the sole reason for wvu in the Big 12, but would they have been as lucrative had they averaged 5 wins a season?
The future is gonna be all about who brings what, and more have plenty over wvu. If wvu has as bad of a season as some fear, or takes them a while to rebuild, it puts them at a disadvantage further than someone with a bad record but good market.

Oliver Luck MIGHT have had something to say about it.....
 
Now part of heading up the XFL Ollie? He'll be taken about as seriously as a dog dressed in human clothes.

Once again you obvious bias makes your opinions null... He has a BIG influence. He had a big influence on the Big 12, and then a big influence once he was very high up at the NCAA in general. Everyone knows that, you are just blinded by green lights.
 
IMHO,

- Football. At one time, WVU was drawing something like 30 to 40K, including students who don't really pay. (Spamites, yes, this is true, and, no I don't believe lap dog media reports that made fantastic unaudited live gate claims, thoughtful people can tell what %age of a stadium with a known capacity is being used, just stay out of this). And WVU (still, but morso in the past) adjusted ticket prices based on demand. MU represented a full house at full price. Further MU represented a very sellable TV game.

Today, WVU is getting a 90% or so sell out, and is getting plenty of money from the Texas-Oklahoma conference TV deal. They just don't need us anymore.

As one of the Little 8, WVU has 3 games cover each year. It wants two P5 or AAC games home and home, preferably from the AAC or the bottom half of a P5 conference; and a for-cash no-return game versus a I-AA.

MU has 4 games to cover per year. The general pattern is a mix of step-up games played for cash with no return, even up games versus the MAC or Sun Belt, and home and home deals with name schools (Purdue, Cincinnati, Louisville, Boise State, Navy, etc.) And a I-AA, to give 7 home games and make $$. Frankly, we make way more money playing the likes of Notre Dame, than WVU pays a I-AA. And we can get good teams like Boise State and Louisville in here. We just don't need them any more either.

- Basketball, From the end of WVU's run in the late 50s/early 60s to the early 80s, Marshall was equal to WVU in basketball, if not ahead. Basketball was not that big a deal there anyway, and they NEVER filled their over-large building until they finally agreed to play us. The home and home series was a good deal.

This devolved into a Legislature ass-kiss deal played in Charleston. And national and local TV deals made it be played on weeknights. Still fun, but not as fun. We spent the 90s and 00s in the wilderness, while WVU built itself into a solid second tier national team. Yeah, we won every 5th or so year, but that is the nature of basketball. We just were not competitive for a very long time, and probably won't be on their level most years in the future. To make an analogy, at one time MU-WVU was UK-Louisville or IU-Purdue, or UNC-NC State. Today it is more like UK-Western Kentucky, or IU-Ball State or UNC-UNC Greensboro.

The $$ and the competitiveness of MU-WVU do not work out in the two major sports (and also not in women's basketball, where WVU is likewise just way better). We should play in soccer or baseball or whatever, and let it be. It is part of the past.

Marshall/WVU is Colorado/Colorado State.
 
Once again you obvious bias makes your opinions null... He has a BIG influence. He had a big influence on the Big 12, and then a big influence once he was very high up at the NCAA in general. Everyone knows that, you are just blinded by green lights.

He did have a big influence when he was the #2 guy in the NCAA.
His current position has only distanced himself from the NCAA further.
Why he left the NCAA and that position for where he is now (Commish for the XFL I believe?) is beyond me.
 
Is this for real? Colorado state has beaten colorado numerous times, and won the Mountain West numerous times, and won the WAC several times prior to that. Ummmmm no

Yes.

And if Marshall and WVU has played every year and in the same fashion that those two do, Marshall would have multiple wins as well. Marshall has multiple conference titles too. Your point?
 
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In that case, not many states have a lower broadband connection percentage than West Virginia does. So if it’s about streaming viewers instead of television, that negates any perception of an advantage Marshall may have with a stronger fan base.

A strong fan base is great, but if it’s about streaming numbers as you claim, having one of the lowest broadband percentages in the country ruins that.


Hell, my daughter plays college soccer on a lower level and I can watch her games easier than I can Marshall’s.
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He did have a big influence when he was the #2 guy in the NCAA.
His current position has only distanced himself from the NCAA further.
Why he left the NCAA and that position for where he is now (Commish for the XFL I believe?) is beyond me.

I have no idea either... however it really has nothing to do with the influence of the Big 12
 
Yes.

And if Marshall and WVU has played every year and in the same fashion that those two do, Marshall would have multiple wins as well. Marshall has multiple conference titles too. Your point?

Um the point is the DONT play, and Marshall is 0-12 against WVU, and Colorado State won the best non P5 conference several times, not the MAC and CUSA, and and and.... so no its not a good comparison. But I am not going to argue about it further, you guys already know that. You just want to try to dig for the sake of digging.
 
Um the point is the DONT play, and Marshall is 0-12 against WVU, and Colorado State won the best non P5 conference several times, not the MAC and CUSA, and and and.... so no its not a good comparison. But I am not going to argue about it further, you guys already know that. You just want to try to dig for the sake of digging.

When has Colorado State won the Mountain West several times?
 
Um the point is the DONT play, and Marshall is 0-12 against WVU, and Colorado State won the best non P5 conference several times, not the MAC and CUSA, and and and.... so no its not a good comparison. But I am not going to argue about it further, you guys already know that. You just want to try to dig for the sake of digging.

You’re making the same point. WVU and Marshall don’t play all the time; as a result, that record is irrelevant.

The schools are basically the same. When CSU was at it’s best, Marshall was better. You’re right, Marshall has a leg up on Colorado State. CSU claimed conference titles in 1999, 2000, and 2002. BYU also claimed the title in 1999, Marshall dominated BYU. Go look at those records and compare the seasons.

Southern Miss/Ole Miss isn’t comparable. Ole Miss would look a lot of better as a program if they didn’t go up against that SEC gauntlet every year.

WVU hasn’t won even in “down” years for the B12. They “claimed” titles in the Big East and won against powerhouses like Louisville and Cincinnati. Congrats. Poor comparison there.
 
You’re making the same point. WVU and Marshall don’t play all the time; as a result, that record is irrelevant.

The schools are basically the same. When CSU was at it’s best, Marshall was better. You’re right, Marshall has a leg up on Colorado State. CSU claimed conference titles in 1999, 2000, and 2002. BYU also claimed the title in 1999, Marshall dominated BYU. Go look at those records and compare the seasons.

Southern Miss/Ole Miss isn’t comparable. Ole Miss would look a lot of better as a program if they didn’t go up against that SEC gauntlet every year.

WVU hasn’t won even in “down” years for the B12. They “claimed” titles in the Big East and won against powerhouses like Louisville and Cincinnati. Congrats. Poor comparison there.

May I remind the wvu fans that a "down" year is when either OU or UT are not doing well. The Big 12 is literally dictated by two teams in terms of its perspective of prestige.
 
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