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Iām just guessing Cam was having a blast the last 6 games last season and the first 4 this seasonā¦ what changed
Marshallās fans. Just ask his sister, his teammate, his coach, and the posts on here.
I guess he doesnāt like losingā¦ kid didnāt have a position coach or a head coach just people that told him āyour oppressed and deserve much more for your overwhelming talentā¦..ā
But not his momā¦ only people rifle wants you to ask.
Marshallās fans changed? No one has been able to answer one simple question: where did Herd fans cross the line? Where did Marshall fans personally attack him?
Long post, read this while taking a nice long sh*t:
I think Huff was trying to take a page out of Deion's pressers, because Deion would absolutely say something like that. It's backfired because like Deion, Huff hasn't exactly lit up the Win column or the scoreboard for that matter.
Of course, for those who just want to try to stir the pot, will immediately look at race as being the issue. It's not. It's a convenient distraction from seeing the full body of work.
The thing is, Huff is acting like this is something new, or something he was completely unaware of. This is a guy who spent time at places with unlimited resources and seemed to fail to notice that Marshall is not Penn State or Alabama.
What's somewhat sad, is Fancher (if he actually were miserable) is really because of Huff himself.
Huff's terrible coaching has led to Fancher being ridiculed even more than he probably should be.
I actually felt bad for Fancher, because he's only doing what he's told and I doubt he ever didn't want to win football games.
The words Huff has said about "he's miserable" are actually his own.
...and what did you expect? I kept telling you all, that if you want a young, up and coming coordinator to be at the helm, you run the risk of them not giving a damn about the program and only themselves.
You get a spoiled person, who never really had to work a day in their lives (how hard is it to recruit for Penn State and Alabama especially when all the illegal payments, are now legal, and have no limits?).
Now putting them in charge of a whole program with (comparatively) minimal resources.
I think what's worse about all of this, is Huff could still have salvaged his career here and won, and left on a high note. Instead, he hasn't made any changes, stubbornly kept Fancher in, and overall just torched the team and fans, while not taking responsibility for his own actions.
Now, he's probably trying to get fired because winning isn't happening, he can't accept he is the reason for.it, and frankly, doesn't have the stock to reach out to anyone.
But hey, you all wanted this, so you got it...he cared so much a out winning that he forgot what to do to achieve it.
I think Huff was trying to take a page out of Deion's pressers, because Deion would absolutely say something like that. It's backfired because like Deion, Huff hasn't exactly lit up the Win column or the scoreboard for that matter.
Of course, for those who just want to try to stir the pot, will immediately look at race as being the issue. It's not. It's a convenient distraction from seeing the full body of work.
The thing is, Huff is acting like this is something new, or something he was completely unaware of. This is a guy who spent time at places with unlimited resources and seemed to fail to notice that Marshall is not Penn State or Alabama.
What's somewhat sad, is Fancher (if he actually were miserable) is really because of Huff himself.
Huff's terrible coaching has led to Fancher being ridiculed even more than he probably should be.
I actually felt bad for Fancher, because he's only doing what he's told and I doubt he ever didn't want to win football games.
The words Huff has said about "he's miserable" are actually his own.
...and what did you expect? I kept telling you all, that if you want a young, up and coming coordinator to be at the helm, you run the risk of them not giving a damn about the program and only themselves.
You get a spoiled person, who never really had to work a day in their lives (how hard is it to recruit for Penn State and Alabama especially when all the illegal payments, are now legal, and have no limits?).
Now putting them in charge of a whole program with (comparatively) minimal resources.
I think what's worse about all of this, is Huff could still have salvaged his career here and won, and left on a high note. Instead, he hasn't made any changes, stubbornly kept Fancher in, and overall just torched the team and fans, while not taking responsibility for his own actions.
Now, he's probably trying to get fired because winning isn't happening, he can't accept he is the reason for.it, and frankly, doesn't have the stock to reach out to anyone.
But hey, you all wanted this, so you got it...he cared so much a out winning that he forgot what to do to achieve it.
It's not logical, but if a coach wins a lot, he'll get to complain more. Maybe it shouldn't hold more water, but it does.
I recall Pat McAfee talking about getting death threats after missing the two field goals against Pitt in 2007.
It's nothing new, but I think the issue is, with the rise of social media, it's become increasingly more difficult to ignore. You can't open your phone without seeing your name mentioned next to, "is the worst QB we have ever had" which eventually does weigh down on you.
Exactly. Wins can counter everything, and allow you to have more power...regardless of if it makes sense or not.
I agree and thatās what Iām sayingā¦ if heās getting threats, if people are making it about his familyā¦. If any of that is going on at all, thatās unacceptable.
My point is I never saw that with cam. What I saw, was people saying āhe is struggling to make the right reads.ā āIt seems heās not throwing the ball down field wellā āwe should try the backup to see what they have. Cam isnāt the answerā.
None of those critiques crosses (or frankly comes close to) the line. Those are opinions of fans regarding play. Yet from thundercast as well as many others today we were told āMarshall fans crossed the line! They got way too personal!ā But no one could say how except that we were critical of play.
I would opine that Grant Wells faced harsher fan criticism than Camā¦ā¦.
When somebody tells you that you suck, you have two choices. You can prove them right or prove them wrong.
If that's what you think was said on here, then you're either a liar or an unbelievable fool.
There are countless, countless posts doing far more than that. Calling him a "pussy," saying he is "absolute ass," saying he is "shit," numerous people saying he is "terrible," "awful," and "sucks" . . . and that is just one game thread.
And that's fine. But a coach who has gone 9-4 and then 6-6 over the last two years doing the same thing shouldn't result in the mob mentality of firing him for calling out exactly what a previous coach did.
People really aren't taking a breath and realizing that what he said is exactly what plenty of others have with no repercussion like this.
You have to remember rifle only sees things through race because his lived experience growing up never allowed him to interact with many minorities growing up in a community that is 90+% white. Now as a grown up he has chosen to live in a place that also allows him to surround himself with people of his own color, Salt Lake City. He will claim that there is a black person down the hall and a Hispanic person lives above him but we all know he is projecting his racist tendencies into others. It's why he filed a wrongful termination suit against an hbcu.
He sure as hell never cared when we called for the firing of Doc Holliday. In fact, he was on here with us, both pitchfork and torch in hand.
But his argument for defending Huff and Cam is solely based on them being a minority. Evidently he (Rifle) is the only one who's allowed to criticize and even retaliate against anyone of color.
"He (Cam) sucks, but he was at least serviceable up to and including the NC State game." - mlblack16
ROLL WITH COLE!
Who is with me? Let's use this season to develop Cole and see what happens. Roll with Cole, baby!
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"Cam sucks. He absolutely sucks and no one has taken the job from him. That's pretty sad. It's a low bar and shouldn't be that hard." - Bleedsgreen33
"I'm also not saying anyone behind Fancher outright sucks." - Bleedsgreen33
WE ARE . . .
I wonder if Trick stinks at QB evaluation & development. I think Fancher was ranked lower than our other current QBs. There is something missing. Is it huff not wanting to share the spotlight with a hall of farmers kid? It is they just arenāt as good as advertised?
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"No this was a poorly coached effort and Fancher just sucks." - Bleedsgreen33
"Cam Fancher is horrid" - Paytonwgay
Huff explains why he will continue to roll with Cam
As I wrote in a reply in the other thread. At the 17:38 mark, Keith asks Huff if he is going to make the switch at QB and he lays out the reasons why he will not be doing so. Huff claims he doesn't see enough in practice to warrant making the wholesale switch. That he has situations that he'd...
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The ironic part is Wells had a 1 - 1 TD to Int rate to get all the criticism.
Someone else has 0-8 and just needs more playing time!
If āterribleā āawfulā āsucksā is a personal attack to you, then you are Downey soft. I would expect such an esteemed national coaching candidate to have thicker skin than that.
"He (Cam) sucks, but he was at least serviceable up to and including the NC State game." - mlblack16
ROLL WITH COLE!
Who is with me? Let's use this season to develop Cole and see what happens. Roll with Cole, baby!
"Cam sucks. He absolutely sucks and no one has taken the job from him. That's pretty sad. It's a low bar and shouldn't be that hard." - Bleedsgreen33
"I'm also not saying anyone behind Fancher outright sucks." - Bleedsgreen33
WE ARE . . .
I wonder if Trick stinks at QB evaluation & development. I think Fancher was ranked lower than our other current QBs. There is something missing. Is it huff not wanting to share the spotlight with a hall of farmers kid? It is they just arenāt as good as advertised?
"No this was a poorly coached effort and Fancher just sucks." - Bleedsgreen33
"Cam Fancher is horrid" - Paytonwgay
Huff explains why he will continue to roll with Cam
As I wrote in a reply in the other thread. At the 17:38 mark, Keith asks Huff if he is going to make the switch at QB and he lays out the reasons why he will not be doing so. Huff claims he doesn't see enough in practice to warrant making the wholesale switch. That he has situations that he'd...
Whatās your point man? THAT crosses the line for you? Holy cow
So these are too harsh for an adult to to handle?"He (Cam) sucks, but he was at least serviceable up to and including the NC State game." - mlblack16
ROLL WITH COLE!
Who is with me? Let's use this season to develop Cole and see what happens. Roll with Cole, baby!
"Cam sucks. He absolutely sucks and no one has taken the job from him. That's pretty sad. It's a low bar and shouldn't be that hard." - Bleedsgreen33
"I'm also not saying anyone behind Fancher outright sucks." - Bleedsgreen33
WE ARE . . .
I wonder if Trick stinks at QB evaluation & development. I think Fancher was ranked lower than our other current QBs. There is something missing. Is it huff not wanting to share the spotlight with a hall of farmers kid? It is they just arenāt as good as advertised?
"No this was a poorly coached effort and Fancher just sucks." - Bleedsgreen33
"Cam Fancher is horrid" - Paytonwgay
Huff explains why he will continue to roll with Cam
As I wrote in a reply in the other thread. At the 17:38 mark, Keith asks Huff if he is going to make the switch at QB and he lays out the reasons why he will not be doing so. Huff claims he doesn't see enough in practice to warrant making the wholesale switch. That he has situations that he'd...
You wouldn't tell your own kid that he "Sucks" right? Then have some respect for others.
I didn't recall mentioning Terrible or Awful.
Just stop, he isn't a child. He is a division 1 athlete that can go to war and purchase a beer.
while I don't like the reality of social media, it is not going away. our fan base is no different than every other FBS fan base that love FB!
I dont agree with calling any players any names. I have done it and I think it's a crappy- ignorant thing to do. However give me a break about these guys being children and bothered by what an anonymous ahole says about them on the internet. All the ADULTS(aka our players) grew up in this era of instant information and gratification, but they also know there are people out there to try and drag you down. 0% chance I would be on these boards of I was a d1 athlete. Unless I was just trying to come on here to stroke my own ego(which is highly likely).
"He (Cam) sucks, but he was at least serviceable up to and including the NC State game." - mlblack16
ROLL WITH COLE!
Who is with me? Let's use this season to develop Cole and see what happens. Roll with Cole, baby!
"Cam sucks. He absolutely sucks and no one has taken the job from him. That's pretty sad. It's a low bar and shouldn't be that hard." - Bleedsgreen33
"I'm also not saying anyone behind Fancher outright sucks." - Bleedsgreen33
WE ARE . . .
I wonder if Trick stinks at QB evaluation & development. I think Fancher was ranked lower than our other current QBs. There is something missing. Is it huff not wanting to share the spotlight with a hall of farmers kid? It is they just arenāt as good as advertised?
"No this was a poorly coached effort and Fancher just sucks." - Bleedsgreen33
"Cam Fancher is horrid" - Paytonwgay
Huff explains why he will continue to roll with Cam
As I wrote in a reply in the other thread. At the 17:38 mark, Keith asks Huff if he is going to make the switch at QB and he lays out the reasons why he will not be doing so. Huff claims he doesn't see enough in practice to warrant making the wholesale switch. That he has situations that he'd...
OMG, is that the best you could find? Now go collect posts from any other fan board after a terrible game and show us where no one criticized any players. This is the strongest grasping of straws I've ever seen on this board and I've been reading Aaron's posts for almost two decades.
Did you seriously just make that comparison? š¤£šš
You're a fool and this place isn't for you if that's how you think fans are supposed to regard football players. Seriously man, what kind of bubble do you live in?
We all know why you're here and you've never denied it once. You are personally related to Cam and take criticism personally. You shouldn't be here, because your bias prevents you from being able to evaluate his performance objectively.
Agreed! Iād bet that about every player on the team has called someone theyāve played against ass at some level and have criticized NFL and college teamsā players that they are fans of.
None of those are personal attacks. Those are fans on a message board referencing his quality of play which let's admit, has been sporadic. He's looked like a star at times but other times has struggled. At times, his poor play, though, may have been a reflection of the play-calling or offensive line."He (Cam) sucks, but he was at least serviceable up to and including the NC State game." - mlblack16
ROLL WITH COLE!
Who is with me? Let's use this season to develop Cole and see what happens. Roll with Cole, baby!
"Cam sucks. He absolutely sucks and no one has taken the job from him. That's pretty sad. It's a low bar and shouldn't be that hard." - Bleedsgreen33
"I'm also not saying anyone behind Fancher outright sucks." - Bleedsgreen33
WE ARE . . .
I wonder if Trick stinks at QB evaluation & development. I think Fancher was ranked lower than our other current QBs. There is something missing. Is it huff not wanting to share the spotlight with a hall of farmers kid? It is they just arenāt as good as advertised?
"No this was a poorly coached effort and Fancher just sucks." - Bleedsgreen33
"Cam Fancher is horrid" - Paytonwgay
Huff explains why he will continue to roll with Cam
As I wrote in a reply in the other thread. At the 17:38 mark, Keith asks Huff if he is going to make the switch at QB and he lays out the reasons why he will not be doing so. Huff claims he doesn't see enough in practice to warrant making the wholesale switch. That he has situations that he'd...
I don't think I've ever heard a single person say they don't like Cam as a person, that they don't think that he's a great kid, etc.
What I have heard about 100 times over is that he has a huge heart, he's a leader, and his teammates love him. I've also read that he's a tough, pure athlete but we are running the wrong offense for his skillset, or that he's been put in a bad position.
Doc rebuffed his advances which is why had had such a personal vendetta against him.
Just an unfathomable comment from a supposedly intelligent man. At minimum, he should be forced to do a presser where he apologizes to Cam, Camās family, the Marshall fan base as well as the university.
Letās see how Christian & Brad decide to handle itā¦..
Letās see how Christian & Brad decide to handle itā¦..
Thatās where youāre wrong. I wake him up every morning and say āyou suck! Be elite!ā And then make him run stairs until I take him to daycare.
His mother doesnāt like it, but weāre looking for a scholarship one day.
It was a stupid comment by Huff. Obviously he wasn't thinking or doesn't care to trash this program. He knows full well that he will land on his feet as a P5 RB coach somewhere, making more than he does now.
I don't see the need to call kids names, criticize their play, it comes with the territory but not to the point of calling them names.
I think the family mostly had issues with Facebook pages and X tweets. If anyone has perused the Herd Fans facebook page, that place is brutal to players and each other. Some of the posters over there are certifiable.
I don't see the need to call kids names, criticize their play, it comes with the territory but not to the point of calling them names.
I think the family mostly had issues with Facebook pages and X tweets. If anyone has perused the Herd Fans facebook page, that place is brutal to players and each other. Some of the posters over there are certifiable.
Nothing said about or towards Fancher struck me as anything out of the ordinary for the a struggling QB on a struggling team. That said, I can totally get how painful it would be for the player and family. I respect @riflearm2 perspective on all things football, but I do not think Coach Huff's comments were akin to what has been said in the past by other coaches. I think context, timing, and wording all matter. There is a reason why the comments were picked up by national media. They aren't routine. I have friends in other parts of the country with no connection to Marshall at all who texted me essentially saying "I've never heard that from a coach before." I am surprised how far this thing has reached. I think Coach Huff is a really sharp coach with well thought out attention to detail. I cannot fathom he is "trying to get fired." I also cannot imagine how he thought those comments taken together would help his cause of succeeding on the final year of a 4 year deal. I can only assume he spoke out of school to a reporter with whom he seems to have a comfortable rapport. Miami(OH) and Chuck Martin are an example of what can happen if a fan base and administration are patient with a coach, but in the modern era of what coaches are making (even if it is low at Marshall relative to peers), there just isn't much patience. Keeping Huff was a close call given the disappointing trajectory in year 3, which is typically considered a "show me" year for a coach. I think this situation has made it very tough on all involved.
But that wasnāt the point. The point was to expose you as a liar, because you claimed that all you saw were the types of examples you posted, which is comically bogus. Like I said, youāre either a liar or completely clueless if thatās all you recall seeing.
So why lie and make those claims?
Itās amazing that you all want to debate the examples Johns posted but you all conveniently ignore the ones I posted. And that was about a 60 second search from one game thread. There are substantially more and substantially worse if I took the time to look.
hey @mlblack16. they should read the Ohio State boards. This is child's play compared to what goes on in Columbus. A QB who is 11-1 is transfering and a coach who is 57-6 is on the hotseat. We are mild compared to other places.
I really doubt college kids today are reading message boards/forum posts.
I doubt they look at any "facebook pages" other than their mom's because they have to.
They don't see anything anyone here is posting.
It's the lunatic fringe direct messaging / commenting at individuals on various platforms that are harmful.
I doubt they look at any "facebook pages" other than their mom's because they have to.
They don't see anything anyone here is posting.
It's the lunatic fringe direct messaging / commenting at individuals on various platforms that are harmful.
To me, it's also that before Huff took over, MU had played in its conference championship game. Regardless of how/what had been going on, MU still made it.
That's the tagline, "We play for championships."
They expressed support in the regime change...and they hoped (based on years of bitching) that they'd be right.
Well, not really, MU has regressed both record-wise and just the eye test.
So, either the fans can admit they were wrong about it, or they can double down and get torches, pitchforks, and storm the town square.
But fans admitting they were wrong about anything is impossible, especially on forums.
You're an idiot if you think athletes don't look at social media these days...which includes message boards and FB groups.
I guess I'm an idiot.
My kids don't use fb or message boards near the level or at all compare to instagram, twitter, snap, tiktok.
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