Joe Manchin: "Due process is killing us"

[herdfan429]

and here is west Virginias senator claiming we need to get rid of due process to stop people from buying firearms

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/16/us-senator-get-rid-of-due-process-its-killing-us/

 

[raleighherdfan]

He's just another political hack.

 

[GreenDuke]

Two Penny Joe is nothing more than a useful tool of the far left. They trot him out to make their objectives look mainstream.

 

[GeauxHerd]

Lets see Extragreens explanation to this.

 

[herdfan429]

Lets see Extragreens explanation to this.

He will agree with what was said and state how bad people even though they haven't been charged deserve to have their rights taken away. And not just their second amendment rights but you could argue 4th as well

 

[Rock98Dog]

And they call republicans nazis?

 

[herdit44]

And they call republicans nazis?

lol at actually believing ol' joe is a "democrat"

 

[raleighherdfan]

Joe may be worse than a "Democrat". He does what he is told to do, without exception, by the Dems

 

[GeauxHerd]

Joe may be worse than a "Democrat". He does what he is told to do, without exception, by the Dems

pretty much cut and dry.

 

[extragreen]

How many of you would be ok with putting mateen on the no fly list?

 

[Walter Brennaneer]

How many of you would be ok with putting mateen on the no fly list?

He is dead dipshit! Keep up!

 

[Rock98Dog]

I believe all corpses should be banned from commercial flights.

 

[Rock98Dog]

Greed, even you can't defend calling due process a problem.

This is what's so amazing about the Constitution and the effort and intelligence put into crafting it. The founding fathers looked at thousands of years of history and understood the inherent corrupt nature of man when he is imparted with power and influence. They understood that at some point in the future the leadership of this country would need to be usurped and replaced. The original amendments are really nothing more than detailed warning signs of when you need to start getting prepared, as a free country, to make that happen. Basically what they tell you is these are the non-negotiable rights that the government should never attempt to infringe upon. If they do that's your sign that your representative republic is being replaced with a new form of government that is not in your best interest.

Free countries fall because the populous becomes scared and complacent. They want to leave everything up to someone else. They get to the point where they don't mind being told what to do, and when to do it, in exchange for promised safety and security. Only after those promises fail to materialize do you have revolution and a new start.

Infringing on due process in the name of safety, security and economic benefit is pretty much the route Hitler took in the 1930s. I guarantee you this was not something Joe just decided to blurt out. He's just the guy who released the trial balloon.

 

[extragreen]

I believe all corpses should be banned from commercial flights.

You want to answer the question or avoid it?

 

[raleighherdfan]

You want to answer the question or avoid it?

What a fvcking hypocrite.

 

[i am herdman]

You want to answer the question or avoid it?

LMAO, did you avoid the question by asking a question?

 

[i am herdman]

Comments like the one from Manchin are why I will never give up my gun. Screw that shi*. I am not giving those ass bags all the power.

 

[herdfan429]

How many of you would be ok with putting mateen on the no fly list?

what amendment guarantees a person the right to fly? And for the record he was investigated and the case was closed with no charges being filed. Now we can debate shoddy investigative work all day

 

[herdfan429]

And one other thing extra you've been suspected of drunk driving let's take your drivers license

 

[Rock98Dog]

You want to answer the question or avoid it?

Ok, assuming it's a week ago and he's still alive, then no, he should not have been on a do not fly list. He was investigated by the fbi on two separate occasions and they found no compelling evidence against him and did not consider him a threat. He was essentially cleared, and in reality to a level most never will be because most people will never have the fbi turning over the rocks on them.

As previously mentioned, we can talk about the effectiveness of any fbi investigation, but based on their reported findings, there was no reason to have him on such a list.

 

[extragreen]

LMAO, did you avoid the question by asking a question?

No I didn't.
So far 2 of you have avoided the question.

 

[Rock98Dog]

Okay, as a separate post, since I answered your question, but you never seem to answer anyone else's.

Do you believe in the suspension of due process rights to anyone the government deems suspicious?

 

[extragreen]

Ok, assuming it's a week ago and he's still alive, then no, he should not have been on a do not fly list. He was investigated by the fbi on two separate occasions and they found no compelling evidence against him and did not consider him a threat. He was essentially cleared, and in reality to a level most never will be because most people will never have the fbi turning over the rocks on them.

As previously mentioned, we can talk about the effectiveness of any fbi investigation, but based on their reported findings, there was no reason to have him on such a list.

Then he should be able to carry a gun on an airplane, right?

 

[extragreen]

Okay, as a separate post, since I answered your question, but you never seem to answer anyone else's.

Do you believe in the suspension of due process rights to anyone the government deems suspicious?

Nope. Do you believe the 2nd amendment is an absolute right?

 

[extragreen]

And one other thing extra you've been suspected of drunk driving let's take your drivers license

Over my cold, dead hands.

 

[HerdFan76]

Extra must, in all absolution, agree and defend the 5th Amendment. Otherwise, he wouldn't argue in a 4 page thread that Hillary is innocent until being charged.

 

[extragreen]

Extra must, in all absolution, agree and defend the 5th Amendment. Otherwise, he wouldn't argue in a 4 page thread that Hillary is innocent until being charged.

In which case I can state that you only believe in it sometimes.

 

[HerdFan76]

In which case I can state that you only believe in it sometimes.

How do you derive that from what I said? Do you or do you not support the 5th?

 

[extragreen]

How do you derive that from what I said? Do you or do you not support the 5th?

If I remember correctly, you are one of those who have personally charged and found hillary guilty of a crime without due process. That's how.

 

[HerdFan76]

If I remember correctly, you are one of those who have personally charged and found hillary guilty of a crime without due process. That's how.

So you believe and support the 5th?

 

[Rock98Dog]

Nope. Do you believe the 2nd amendment is an absolute right?

Yes, as defined by District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago. I'm in the individual rights camp on the interpretation of the amendment because I firmly believe, such belief supported by comments from the framers, that the intent of the second amendment was to serve as a deterrent and, if necessary, a means of action against an overreaching federal government.

 

[Rock98Dog]

Greed believes in due process (1).





(1) when it serves to protect someone he supports.

 

[extragreen]

So you believe and support the 5th?

Do you support it ALL THE TIME?

 

[extragreen]

Yes, as defined by District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago. I'm in the individual rights camp on the interpretation of the amendment because I firmly believe, such belief supported by comments from the framers, that the intent of the second amendment was to serve as a deterrent and, if necessary, a means of action against an overreaching federal government.

So, you weren't really all that sorry to hear that the court no longer has scalia on it.

 

[extragreen]

Greed believes in due process (1).





(1) when it serves to protect someone he supports.

And you're ok with disregarding it if it protects those you don't support.

 

[Rock98Dog]

And you're ok with disregarding it if it protects those you don't support.

Uh, no. Where did you get that?

My issue with Hillary, assuming that's what you're referring to, is that due process is being hindered by the Obama administration injecting itself into the matter, delaying the release of potentially important information. I firmly believe that Hillary deserves her day in court, but also believe that the case against her should be allowed to move forward. Due process in no ways gives you immunity to investigation or prosecution, but that is exactly the umbrella the administration is providing Hillary.

I could actually see it playing out to where the info is delayed until after the election then, once Hillary wins, Obama pardons her sometime between the election and the day she is to assume office.

 

[Rock98Dog]

One other thing, you seem to have a real problem discerning between opinions on a topic and underlying core beliefs. I can believe that OJ sure as hell killed Nicole and Ron, but that doesn't mean that I believe the court decision should be ignored. Likewise, I can fully believe that Hillary is a slimy piece of crap only interested in herself and self enrichment, but still believe she deserves her day in court.

It's just like I believe you are basically an uneducated hill jack who argues just for the sake of arguing, but I still give you chance after chance to prove me wrong because one of my core beliefs is to give people opportunities to succeed.

 

[extragreen]

Uh, no. Where did you get that?

My issue with Hillary, assuming that's what you're referring to, is that due process is being hindered by the Obama administration injecting itself into the matter, delaying the release of potentially important information. I firmly believe that Hillary deserves her day in court, but also believe that the case against her should be allowed to move forward. Due process in no ways gives you immunity to investigation or prosecution, but that is exactly the umbrella the administration is providing Hillary.

I could actually see it playing out to where the info is delayed until after the election then, once Hillary wins, Obama pardons her sometime between the election and the day she is to assume office.

No, you guys have already stated hillary is a career criminal, despite never having been found guilty of a crime. And the rest is conspiracy theory.

 

[extragreen]

One other thing, you seem to have a real problem discerning between opinions on a topic and underlying core beliefs. I can believe that OJ sure as hell killed Nicole and Ron, but that doesn't mean that I believe the court decision should be ignored. Likewise, I can fully believe that Hillary is a slimy piece of crap only interested in herself and self enrichment, but still believe she deserves her day in court.

It's just like I believe you are basically an uneducated hill jack who argues just for the sake of arguing, but I still give you chance after chance to prove me wrong because one of my core beliefs is to give people opportunities to succeed.

If you can believe the court decision shouldn't be ignored, you should then wait for a court decision. Moron.

 

[Walter Brennaneer]

Uh, no. Where did you get that?

My issue with Hillary, assuming that's what you're referring to, is that due process is being hindered by the Obama administration injecting itself into the matter, delaying the release of potentially important information. I firmly believe that Hillary deserves her day in court, but also believe that the case against her should be allowed to move forward. Due process in no ways gives you immunity to investigation or prosecution, but that is exactly the umbrella the administration is providing Hillary.

I could actually see it playing out to where the info is delayed until after the election then, once Hillary wins, Obama pardons her sometime between the election and the day she is to assume office.

There is absolutely no way Greed believes Hillary is innocent. Even in his clouded world of thinking he knows she should be in a federal prison on this day. That's the way libs roll, just swag the truth and it will be so.