Ill say it again, if you show up late a single time without an honest reason, it's an unethical act.
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Ill say it again, if you show up late a single time without an honest reason, it's an unethical act.
Good Lord.....Yet, you condoned the Bernie Sanders thugs in San Jose destroying cop cars and burning the US flag.
You blamed it on Trump.
Are you and Hillary ethical?
You blamed it on Trump.
Are you and Hillary ethical?
That's not what you said in the beginning so you are in fact changing your argument. But with that said what would you do to your unethical brother in law if he showed up late?
Well, it's probably a good thing that I haven't had a job where I punched a clock since 1986. Hey, am I super ethical because I have averaged working over 50 hours a week for the last 30 years even though I never got paid overtime? How about the fact that for the past several years I had 6 weeks of paid vacation, but usually never take more than 2 weeks a year?
You have the most misguided understanding of so many things. I contribute that to your lack of education and what I imagine is a very limited scope relative to the types of people you have interacted with throughout life. It's sad that you have lived so much of your life and have not ever felt the desire to expand your scope of understanding. I'll help you a little bit, ethics has nothing to do with punching a clock by a certain time. Clock punching is a public act and the character and ethics of a person are really about what they do when no one is looking. It's how they act when there is no chance of negative repercussions. It's doing the right thing even when no one will ever know.
You have the most misguided understanding of so many things. I contribute that to your lack of education and what I imagine is a very limited scope relative to the types of people you have interacted with throughout life. It's sad that you have lived so much of your life and have not ever felt the desire to expand your scope of understanding. I'll help you a little bit, ethics has nothing to do with punching a clock by a certain time. Clock punching is a public act and the character and ethics of a person are really about what they do when no one is looking. It's how they act when there is no chance of negative repercussions. It's doing the right thing even when no one will ever know.
No, you're trying to make what I said something different. When you said you'd never done anything unethical in your professional career, you either lied or didn't know what unethical behaviour entails. Matter of fact you said "Being habitually late deserves firing." So if being habitually late is enough to get someone fired, you're are admitting that it is in fact an unethical act, but it just takes habitually committing that unethical act for someone to deserve being fired.
No, you are not super ethical. Averaging working over 50 hours a week and not getting paid overtime makes you stupid and your employer unethical, OR, you and your employer entered an agreement that you would be paid a salary. If it's the former, I attribute it to stupidity. If it's the latter, you got exactly what you signed up for. I'll help you a little bit, you don't know ethics from apple butter. A study was based on surveys of more than 2,100 hiring and human resource managers , and 40% of them had fired people for being late for work. Evidently, they agree with me that being late for work is unethical.
You are right I did say that AFTER you changed the parameters of the argument. I don't think being late is unethical I think it's more of a moral character trait than unethical. And yes there is a difference
Beats me, still sounds like they're barely making enough to live on, don't get any sort of retirement investments & they don't get health benefits. But you're clearly not working when your'e on here constantly - and considering you've tied their ability to earn to your performance, maybe spending all day on a message board really isn't helping them. If repeatedly being late is unethical because let's face it, it means people aren't there when they should be working, how is it any different if a person is supposed to be working but spends hours a day (& that's just during works hours) on a message board screwing around?
No change in parameters. I agree there is a slight difference in morals and ethics. Morals are usually tinged with religious beliefs, ethics at least less so. Since being late for work has nothing to do with religion, then it's ethics, not morals.
You won't find a large percentage of 3 staff blue collar companies offering retirement or health benefits. And I do much of my work after the other 2 guys are home eating supper. I had a guy who worked for me who thought similar to you about how I was running my business. He ended up starting his own cabinet shop. After about a year or 18 months, he stopped in my shop for the sole reason of apologizing for thinking that. He had learned he was wrong the hard way. So, as usual, you're wrong.
Wrong. Ethics is based more on external sources. I.e. Codes of conduct rules and regs placed on a person by others. Morals is internal. They don't have to be based on religion. If I choose to continually be late to work that is a moral issue not an ethical one. And for the record you did change your argument. Originally you said being late for work you then changed it to being habitually late. Those two thimgs are not the same
I'm not wrong. The difference between morals and ethics has been debated for centuries with no clear cut agreement. I didn't say morals had to be based on religion, I said they are usually tinged with religious beliefs. but if we use your idea of morals and ethics, then people being late for work is immoral (personal) and they will often be fired due to the external source (employer) as a matter of ethics. My argument has not changed, not matter how much you say so.
The last line of your statement is that since being late for work has nothing to do with religion the it's ethics not morals. That's a declarative statement if I've ever heard one. and a declaratove statement for the argument that morals ONLY deal with religious beliefs. And yes your argument changed from being late to be umg habitually late. It's not my fault you can't comprehend the difference
"if we use your idea of morals and ethics, then people being late for work is immoral (personal) and they will often be fired due to the external source (employer) as a matter of ethics.
So I'm fine with the above if that's the road you want to take.
"Habitually' was brought into the discussion to show that if doing it habitually will get you fired, once must be wrong also. No parameters were changed by me.
Of course not. Even if arriving late was not excusable. Are you thinking that if a person commits an unethical act that they are altogether an unethical person? I don't. If that's the case then we are all unethical....or immoral, whichever you prefer.
Greed, the extent of your knowledge as it pertains to the business world, and most other things, is Googling a question and going with the first link you agree with. That's proven fairly easily, just like with the ethical/late for work issue. On the other hand, I worked in large companies for almost 30 years, managed extensive staffs containing both exempt and non-exempt employees, and worked in conjunction with the HR department on all aspects of staff management.
Of course people get fired for being habitually late, but that's not an ethics issues, it's a policy violation which contains specific steps taken (warning, reprimand, termination) for offending employees. When you manage a large group of people you quickly realize that everyone has different things that they aren't going to do the way you write it up from a policy perspective. That's fine because the uniqueness of people is what gives them value. There is a guy who worked for me for 15 years, I hired him at three different places, every time I decided to move for a new opportunity he was the first person I called to come join me. He's a great producer, great family man, deacon and treasury for his church, community volunteer, generally one of the most moral and ethical people I have ever worked with. He's never been on time for anything in his life. It's a personality trait, not an ethics issue.
Now, trading political favor in exchange for hiring your spouse and paying them $300,000 for a 20 minute speech, that's an ethics issue.
Of course people get fired for being habitually late, but that's not an ethics issues, it's a policy violation which contains specific steps taken (warning, reprimand, termination) for offending employees. When you manage a large group of people you quickly realize that everyone has different things that they aren't going to do the way you write it up from a policy perspective. That's fine because the uniqueness of people is what gives them value. There is a guy who worked for me for 15 years, I hired him at three different places, every time I decided to move for a new opportunity he was the first person I called to come join me. He's a great producer, great family man, deacon and treasury for his church, community volunteer, generally one of the most moral and ethical people I have ever worked with. He's never been on time for anything in his life. It's a personality trait, not an ethics issue.
Now, trading political favor in exchange for hiring your spouse and paying them $300,000 for a 20 minute speech, that's an ethics issue.
And you're an idiot. I dont care if you've worked 3 thousand years for 900 firms, showing up late for work without a reasonable excuse is an unethical act. That your employee's unethical act of showing up late for work is accepted by you doesn't change the fact one iota.
It's a good thing you live in your cave OW. You wouldn't be able to function in the real world.
Yeah, you think the world would be a better place without my daughter who's carrying a 3.9 gpa in business management while on scholarship at Ohio University (currently ranked the #15 public business school in the country)? She has an excellent opportunity to be a contributor to society unlike those pill popping, meth heads you hang with OW.
Your daughter is a sloth. Of my 2 sons, one is a registered nurse and the other is a doctor of chiropractic. Us meth heads do ok despite our addictions. Moron.
Oh, a registered nurse, that degree that every girl that can't decide between beauty school or teaching goes for. I have 4 sisters and a brother in law who are RNs. Chiropractor, when you aren't quite good enough to make it to being a real doctor.
Seriously, you should be proud of your kids. Their mother must be a very smart woman, despite the fact that she married you. How they overcame having a no wit, hilljack father is something that deserves to be celebrated.
Seriously, you should be proud of your kids. Their mother must be a very smart woman, despite the fact that she married you. How they overcame having a no wit, hilljack father is something that deserves to be celebrated.
Id be inclined to congratulate you on the daughter, if she were actually yours. Might want to keep a closer eye on her mother.
Well, I know your kids aren't mine, made sure I only went in the back door with Mrs. Greed. Was surprised how much she liked it.
Now, go back to being civil or I will verbally eviscerate you. You aren't smart enough, funny enough, or dedicated enough to play this game with me.
Now, go back to being civil or I will verbally eviscerate you. You aren't smart enough, funny enough, or dedicated enough to play this game with me.
I heard about that. It was a 3 way with your daughter. I'm not going back to civil until you start being civil. You started it with the disrespect of the entire community of wayne. You're too low-life and stupid to realize it. Moron.
Sorry, Wayne County deserves to be made fun of to a large extent as the nonintergrated, uneducated, welfare sucking place it is.
What is OW?
98.0% white
Only 78% of residents have a HS diploma
Only 12.6% have a college degree
Only 49% participate in the work force
With a population of only 40,000, Wayne County receives $313,000,000 in health care and social assistance. That's an average of $7,825 for every man, woman and child in the county. In contrast, the total payroll for the county is only $303,000,000.
What about those stats doesn't deserve some level of ridicule? Lily-white, uneducated, sit at home and draw a check population. I would also venture to say that most the college educated folks live within 5 minutes of the Cabell County line. You know, the neighboring county that has an 86% HS grad rate, a 24% college grad rate and earned income that actually exceeds welfare receipts.
What is OW?
98.0% white
Only 78% of residents have a HS diploma
Only 12.6% have a college degree
Only 49% participate in the work force
With a population of only 40,000, Wayne County receives $313,000,000 in health care and social assistance. That's an average of $7,825 for every man, woman and child in the county. In contrast, the total payroll for the county is only $303,000,000.
What about those stats doesn't deserve some level of ridicule? Lily-white, uneducated, sit at home and draw a check population. I would also venture to say that most the college educated folks live within 5 minutes of the Cabell County line. You know, the neighboring county that has an 86% HS grad rate, a 24% college grad rate and earned income that actually exceeds welfare receipts.
You're spending too much time looking up statistics. Watch out, you might get another daughter that you think is yours.
Allowing me to interpret:
"I don't know how to reply to that, it appears that I do live in a lily-white, uneducated, welfare sucking, over half the people sitting at home instead of working, county. This is exactly what he has been saying. That upbringing and continued living in that sheltered environment really has served to limit my perspective on so many issues. How could I have spent my whole life in that homogeneous, uninspiring climate? It's no wonder I have turned out to be such a bitter, confrontational, close-minded man."
"I don't know how to reply to that, it appears that I do live in a lily-white, uneducated, welfare sucking, over half the people sitting at home instead of working, county. This is exactly what he has been saying. That upbringing and continued living in that sheltered environment really has served to limit my perspective on so many issues. How could I have spent my whole life in that homogeneous, uninspiring climate? It's no wonder I have turned out to be such a bitter, confrontational, close-minded man."
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