My challenge to anyone still behind Doc
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While I'm a huge proponent of pointing out Doc's many flaws Dobson isn't the best example. The WR that Doc recruited to WVU in the 2009 class was Stedman Bailey...
Except for as a sophomore when he caught 49 passes.
The question was about winning every year and building a program. It starts with recruiting and the turnover is the man issue. Doc is/was taking way to many social problem kids. When I found out last week(on this board) all the trouble Litton had been in before ever making it to Marshall was a major red flag. The QB/leader of your team having that many character issues is a problem.
while getting kicked off the team 4 times. Kid was total trouble. You could have McCartney or Dodson, I think we know the answer. And now Ivan trashes WVU on social media for not getting him to the show.
I think I ment say WVU had its fill of WR's and Doc was still taking problems kids over a local kid that made it to the NFL
Its the same with Eugene German from Martinsburg. The kids goes to Charlotte and is a three starter
lol, yea, and we know he was not getting any of them. They all went big-time out of state. Its the first time he really is bringing local kids
How many of these kids got offers from other programs before Doc made his offer?
That doesn’t mean the effort wasn’t there. Ask those kids sometime if you get the chance on who recruited them the hardest. Dorian Etheridge, Billy Ross, and Riley Locklear all told me that Marshall recruited as hard or harder than any school that recruited them.
And the idea that a kid is going to be successful at the D1 level or worth a scholarship offer just because they’re a WV kid who is a “character kid,” is wrong.
So I had someone that follows college football in the state ask me a question this week. Who is the second best college QB in the state behind Will Grier? I said Chris Chugunov at WVU or Chase Litton at Marshall.
He said nope!
Conner Jessup the QB at Shepherd and VT transfer. He said NFL scouts have been following him all season and he will get a chance in the NFL. Not sure he makes it but he will get the chance. He said, so all the Tyson Bagant doubters need to know there is a reason the family likes Shepherd. close to home and can still get you to the show. Now will a P5 school come calling between now and signing date. Yep! I would like for one of those schools to be Marshall but I doubt it considering have its been handled up until now.
I know for a fact that Marshall was the first school to offer at least three of the five. Without going back on social media and looking at the others, I can’t remember who offered the other two first.
How many of those kids had offers from out of state teams before Doc made offers to them. I think he makes last minute offers just to cover his own butt so he won't take heat for nor offering.
local does not mean just WV and character and WV are two different issues but if a WV kid can play plus has good character now we have a winner
It really does not matter Josh. They were never going to Marshall (or WVU for that matter). Its about building a roster, and having that good foundation to win games. Have kids stay 5 years and develop and being leaders in the program
Go back to it
Is Marshall recruiting the kid from Beckley. Are they recruiting Wes Ours son?
Has phone call been made to the high school to see if they were still available. Maybe even only as a walkon. At least in this part of WV no one from Marshall will call and check about a kid. If a kid wants to walkon he will have to make the effort.l
We were Seth Stewart’s first offer. In fact, he was committed to us for quite awhile.
We certainly do not keep them in the program for 4-5 years, as evidenced by our Senior Day kids numbering only 13...several were transfers or JUCO's.
may have. I know when Phil Ratliff recruited him he thought he was an NFL player then. Phill offered him at Marshall then when he left Doc did not so he went to Charlotte with Phil
How many kids from WV can play and are good character kids though?
Just because they’re successful in WV doesn’t mean that translates to college football.
I saw, Huntington, Spring Valley, Capital, Hurricane, and Cabell Midland play this year. Of those teams, I only saw a handful or so of kids that I thought could possibly translate to D1.
Huntington - Darnell Wright, Jadon Hayes, Max Howell, and Mikal Dawson
Spring Valley - Doug Nester and Owen Porter. Jacob Cassidy and the Williamson kid were both injured so I can’t really comment on them
Capital - Kerry Martin. Anthony Pittman may possess the athleticism to play D1 football, but he’s no football player
Hurricane - Dakota Williams. If Curon Cordon was bigger, he’d be all over colleges’ radars, but he’s like 5’7 - 150
Cabell Midland - Ivan (something). Isaiah Duncan was slowed by injury so I can’t really comment on him.
Well he is out of football now. Would he have stayed at Marshall. I doubt it
I heard we took him for granted and quit showing good interest in him. Is there a possibility that Seth will end up at Marshall?
Well Capital it self has 4 kids, Martin, Pittman, big lineman, and the middle linebacker talking to Ohio. The other thing is you got to develop kids. You have to be able to look at a kid and project how he fits into your program after working hard in the weight room over a number of years, and I know for a fact the two dlineman from Martinsburg are kids that can develop types. Just call the coach and ask if they get Promise money and bring them in and develop the heck out of them. No one is not making these calls from Marshall. And if you do don't wait until the last minute.
Perfect example, Jefferson High school had a QB(Issac Myers) last year that also played on defense. Stud! Jeff Casteel at Navada found his video and loved him. Wanted him to come out. He said it was to fair away. Finally after many phone calls to Marshall they finally attempted to call but he had already commited to Glennville state. He started as a freshman at Glennville this year(he was a tightend fullback but Casteel wanted him at safety). He was a Promise kid with high character.
There are kids around they just need developed.
The other thing is the Eastern Panhandle just gets no attention because we are not Virginia, not Maryland, and the WV media wont/don't cover us.
Yet, the Charleston Gazette-Daily Mail likes to pound it's chest and Bragg about being "the State's Newspaper"... more like Kanawha County's Newspaper.
Don Nehlen, Frank Beemer, Bobby Bowden.Frank Solich at Ohio has done that. Jim Grobe did the same at Ohio to a lesser extent. The problem is that most coaches have short tenures today( 8 yrs or less) So it is hard to make an apple to apple comparison. I do not believe Doc gets a blank check but he gets one more year in my world. By the way I think you have a valid point, but I am not sure we are at the point of no return. Next year will tell us IMO.
Nehlen had 5 losing seasons in 30 years as a head coach.
Beamer had 5 losing seasons in 35 years as a head coach, none in his last 23 years.
Bowden had 2 losing seasons in 44 years as a head coach, last being 1976, his first season as FSU.
Solich has 2 losing seasons in 19 years as a head coach. Since he has had all his players at Ohio he has not posted a losing season.
Further, Beamer, Bowden (at FSU) and Solich all took over programs that had essentially done nothing historically.
Beamer had 5 losing seasons in 35 years as a head coach, none in his last 23 years.
Bowden had 2 losing seasons in 44 years as a head coach, last being 1976, his first season as FSU.
Solich has 2 losing seasons in 19 years as a head coach. Since he has had all his players at Ohio he has not posted a losing season.
Further, Beamer, Bowden (at FSU) and Solich all took over programs that had essentially done nothing historically.
I know for a fact that a former NFL All-Pro tried to get his son a look by Doc a few years ago and didn't get a a return call. The kid ended up playing for lowly PAC 12 Oregon State. SMH
That wasn't what was being discussed, but I understand it's nearly impossible for you, with your obsession and all, to avoid changing every thread into being about me.
Yes, I am a better recruiter. It's why two current Marshall commits who have scholarships from day 1 in Huntington are practically begging to take an official to my school - an inferior football school in a similar conference - even though they know we only have gray shirts available for each of them (meaning they would have to pay their own way for a semester/two semesters).
It's why I was at a bad FCS last year which had little to offer (bad off-campus high school stadium, non-fertile recruiting region, middle of nowhere, small school, very expensive, didn't have the full allotment of FCS scholarships, had just transitioned from D2 ) yet still ended up with the #9 FCS recruiting class in the country. It's why the players I signed had legit offers from North Texas (x2), Nevada, NMSU, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Idaho, Ohio, ULM, Illinois State, Northern Iowa, and Princeton. It's why yet another NMSU signee was begging for me to offer (but I didn't) since he wanted to stay closer to his girlfriend who was the #1 basketball recruit in the country. It's why a QB who ended up signing with a C-USA school wanted me to offer (which I didn't). It's why Ole Miss' starting QB kept talking about not being sure what to do since I was the first offer he ever received, how I was the only offer for two months into his season, and how he wanted to play for me even though he had far, far better offers late in the season.
It's why the school I am at again leads our conference in recruiting even though I can't recruit off-campus.
But you probably knew all of that with the obsession you have.
There is a pattern here. I have several stories of our football program just not following up on leads. To be honest, if your not from one of Doc's pipeline high schools down south for recruiting your not really going to get interest. I know because I have had people try to make contact as just a walkon and with little to no response.
Docs problem is recruiting. Period! He does not like taking suggestions, he does not like getting leads from outside his staff, and he is trying to keep his pipeline open down south in case he gets another job. Now, he is doing better, but he still needs to improve, and Tyson Bagent is a perfect example.
If people would go back and look at most WV players that play at WVU or Marshall they are walk on's and most of them start for both schools. They later receive scholarships. Both schools really don't want to over scholarships for they would rather have them walk on and offer the scholarships to other players. Look back at both schools and see if this is not true.
Actually, WV kids make a lot of sense in that if they get the Promise Scholarship - a 22 or better on the ACT, the state pays about $4K per semester as long as they maintain a 3.0 gpa. That saves coaches big time that they can use for other schollies.
CHAD PENNINGTON.......enough said. Would Doc have recruited Chad? Your answer?
HerdZilla22 in Charlotte
Yep, example, Ricky Robinson Jr from East Hardy High School. Ricky's dad played basketball at WVU and he is 6-2, 275. He was offered a partial scholarhip by JMU but went to Shepherd on Promise. Why? It was cheaper and he is aware Shepherd has put about 1 kid a year for the last three or four years in the NFL. Ricky would have been a perfect walkon kid for Marshall.
Ricky jr played in every game this yr for Shepherd and once he puts on his freshman 20 lbs he will be 290 lbs this time next year. Guess what? Great kid. Great family.
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