Nice 20 pt win to open conference play....

[RhinoD]

Tough loss against NT... That's a game at the end of the year DD and the players will want back.

As for why we lost, NT's bigs were a matchup issue, especially when they went with Geu at the 4 spot. He is too quick for Bennett and too tall for George and it showed as he worked us in the paint in the first half. Marshall made some good adjustments to slow him down in the second half (doubling with the nearest off-ball guard) but then NT adjusted and started getting open 3s, which they hit.

Overall, two even matched teams played a 3-point game. I think Marshall and NT are both pretty much who I thought they were. Don't be surprised if both teams finish somewhere between fifth and seventh in the league standings.

 

[The Real SamC]

and I would have to believe in the top 4......

We will bounce back!

I believe we are looking at a very competitive conference!

I love our team - watch them grow!

What color is the sky in your world?

We were just humiliated, at home, by a nominal effort at basketball school, which is currently 7-8 105 NET. Wins over NAIA Oklahoma Christian, HBCU NC A&T, commuter college Texas-Arlington, commuter college Arkansas-Little Rock; and HBCU Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Last year, going a respectable 21-12, it drew an unaudited live gate of about 3000/game, despite having 40K students who can get in with an ID swipe, and selling the whole joint for $15 per.

This conference is only “competitive” in the same was a turtle race is, nobody in it is any good.

 

[RhinoD]

We were just humiliated...

Marshall lost by 3 in a game they led at various times.

This conference is only “competitive” in the same was a turtle race is, nobody in it is any good.

This is the exact thing everyone has been saying about football for 5+ years, since the last round of realignment... It's true in both instances.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

What color is the sky in your world?

We were just humiliated, at home, by a nominal effort at basketball school, which is currently 7-8 105 NET. Wins over NAIA Oklahoma Christian, HBCU NC A&T, commuter college Texas-Arlington, commuter college Arkansas-Little Rock; and HBCU Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Last year, going a respectable 21-12, it drew an unaudited live gate of about 3000/game, despite having 40K students who can get in with an ID swipe, and selling the whole joint for $15 per.

This conference is only “competitive” in the same was a turtle race is, nobody in it is any good.

Sam - interesting for you to be so active this early in the week. Please educate all of us - Are you saying a 3 point loss at home is a “humiliation”?
Please define the following
A 10 point loss
A 20 point loss
A 1 point loss
You didn’t even watch the game. And for someone who is a self-proclaimed “expert” on basketball, you continue to show increasing ignorance with every post. Please list UNT’s losses as well - prob some higher ranked NET squads - or is that why you failed to mention them?

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Marshall lost by 3 in a game they led at various times.



This is the exact thing everyone has been saying about football for 5+ years, since the last round of realignment... It's true in both instances.

It's true in both instances? You'd think CUSA basketball was some sort of competitive powerhouse given the comments about the team in this thread.

 

[RhinoD]

It's true in both instances? You'd think CUSA basketball was some sort of competitive powerhouse given the comments about the team in this thread.

So just for my own edification I went back and reread this entire thread... Outside of WS' comment that the conference is going to be very competitive (which it is, albeit not very good) no one has said a word about CUSA being any good at basketball, let alone a powerhouse.

As for the team that we all root for (supposedly) there was one post about MU potentially being in the top 4 in the league, while there are multiple posts about Marshall, and North Texas, being middle of the pack teams in the league this year – Which looks to be correct in the early going.

 

[HerdJC]

If a 3 point loss to UNT in basketball is humiliating, I'd hate to see how embarrassed Sam would be if we lost to a team like Charlotte in footba....oh wait.

 

[The Real SamC]

Please educate all of us - Are you saying a 3 point loss at home is a “humiliation”?

Losing at home to any of the nominal effort at basketball CUSA football centric schools is a humiliation. As stated, MU and the other 5 to 6 teams that actually can and do make an effort at basketball should dominate this league, every year.

Please list UNT’s losses as well - prob some higher ranked NET squads - or is that why you failed to mention them?

Google it for yourself.

 

[Sean Hammond]

Losing at home to any of the nominal effort at basketball CUSA football centric schools is a humiliation. As stated, MU and the other 5 to 6 teams that actually can and do make an effort at basketball should dominate this league, every year.

UNT's head coach makes twice as much as our HC and more than 75% of what our football coach makes.


Nominal effort?

 

[RhinoD]

UNT's head coach makes twice as much as our HC and more than 75% of what our football coach makes.


Nominal effort?

They also just put $8 million into arena renovations and upgrades in 2017.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Losing at home to any of the nominal effort at basketball CUSA football centric schools is a humiliation. As stated, MU and the other 5 to 6 teams that actually can and do make an effort at basketball should dominate this league, every year.

Google it for yourself.

……………...sooooooooo……..Marshall should NEVER lose a home game to a conference mate? Wow, not much room for error there......and, check me on this: When was the last year when one of the 5-6 "give a damn" teams didn't end up winning the auto-bid? Just trying to understand your point....

 

[greengeezer]

If a three point loss is a humiliation,what would you call the losses this year to Cincinnati and Central Florida? Decapitation? Program ender? Ass reamer?

 

[W-S HerdFan]

It's true in both instances? You'd think CUSA basketball was some sort of competitive powerhouse given the comments about the team in this thread.

…………….GHMY - surely you are not trying to imply that CUSA football is a competitive powerhouse G5??

And an additional comment on the game: There were a bunch of UNT possessions where we really frustrated them for 25 seconds, then one of their guys would make a contested shot right before the buzzer. I thought both teams were very good defensively, showing up as a low scoring game relative to scoring outputs so far this season....

 

[W-S HerdFan]

If a three point loss is a humiliation,what would you call the losses this year to Cincinnati and Central Florida? Decapitation? Program ender? Ass reamer?

execution by lethal injection...……

 

[The Real SamC]

……………...sooooooooo……..Marshall should NEVER lose a home game to a conference mate?

Did not say that, not that that should not be the goal. DOMINANCE. Demand better. Excellence. But what I did say is that we, and the other serious effort at basketball schools, should settle this league among ourselves every year. The football only schools are just playing basketball because they have to, they are not really putting the institutional effort behind it that the two sport schools are.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Did not say that, not that that should not be the goal. DOMINANCE. Demand better. Excellence. But what I did say is that we, and the other serious effort at basketball schools, should settle this league among ourselves every year. The football only schools are just playing basketball because they have to, they are not really putting the institutional effort behind it that the two sport schools are.

…….so again - the ? you didn't answer: When was the last time a school other than the top half of the league (year in, year out) won the CUSA tournament and received the auto bid?? You can't name one, because it hasn't happened. Just another instance where you make proclamations w/o the slightest bit of hard evidence to back up your claims.

 

[The Real SamC]

When was the last time a school other than the top half of the league (year in, year out) won the CUSA tournament and received the auto bid?? You can't name one, because it hasn't happened.

Do what? The FACT that only a few top teams control CUSA 3.0 basketball, and they do, would prove my point that this is a bad league filled with lots of football centric schools which cannot and/or do not make a serious effort at basketball. It also shows how greatly we have underperformed by not being in that elite group, EVERY year and how lost this year is. And how embarrassing it is to be beaten, at home, by one of these football schools.

Thank you for finally admitting what we all know. The level of basketball ability and/or commitment by the bottom of this conference is very low.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Sam - my final thought for this thread: If you look back at every Marshall basketball team (that wasn't an independent, ala 1972) - tell me when there has ever been even a 5 year time period where the Herd was "outperforming the other conference schools and staying in the very top (elite) group EVERY year"....
Again, you can't because beyond the brief 3 year tourney run by Huck's Herd, there hasn't been any, not even one. To say that this year's team has "lost" their opportunities after 2 conference games is laughable. The closest thing to the parameter I established above? The D'antoni era 2015-present.
Go Herd!!

 

[muthed]

Do what? The FACT that only a few top teams control CUSA 3.0 basketball, and they do, would prove my point that this is a bad league filled with lots of football centric schools which cannot and/or do not make a serious effort at basketball. It also shows how greatly we have underperformed by not being in that elite group, EVERY year and how lost this year is. And how embarrassing it is to be beaten, at home, by one of these football schools.

Thank you for finally admitting what we all know. The level of basketball ability and/or commitment by the bottom of this conference is very low.

Sam, if you would get behind the basketball team and quit extolling your PERCIEVED deficiencies of this team and program, we would be a lot better off. Kinda do like you do with football.....ignore the deficiencies and look at everything through rose-colored glasses. When else, besides Huck, has MU basketball performed as well as it has during this current 5 year stretch?

 

[riflearm2]

Do what? The FACT that only a few top teams control CUSA 3.0 basketball, and they do, would prove my point that this is a bad league filled with lots of football centric schools which cannot and/or do not make a serious effort at basketball. It also shows how greatly we have underperformed by not being in that elite group, EVERY year and how lost this year is. And how embarrassing it is to be beaten, at home, by one of these football schools.
.

The same thing can be said about football, Samantha.

When is the last time a team not in the top half of this version of C-USA won the football championship?

In basketball, there have been four different champions in the last five years. In football, there have been three different champions in the last five years. That means there are fewer teams controlling the conference in football than in basketball, which wrecks your argument.

In basketball, there have been five different schools playing in the championship game in the last five years. In football, there have been seven different schools playing in the championship game in the last five years. This would slightly support your argument.

Considering the number of different champions is actually lower in football than in basketball and the numbers are comparable for teams just playing in the championship game, your argument, like usual, holds no water, Sammy.

 

[ARandomHerdFan]

The same thing can be said about football, Samantha.

When is the last time a team not in the top half of this version of C-USA won the football championship?

In basketball, there have been four different champions in the last five years. In football, there have been three different champions in the last five years. That means there are fewer teams controlling the conference in football than in basketball, which wrecks your argument.

In basketball, there have been five different schools playing in the championship game in the last five years. In football, there have been seven different schools playing in the championship game in the last five years. This would slightly support your argument.

Considering the number of different champions is actually lower in football than in basketball and the numbers are comparable for teams just playing in the championship game, your argument, like usual, holds no water, Sammy.

Quoting for Sam to see.

 

[herdalicious]

I miss the days when it was Memphis and the 11 Dwarves.

 

[riflearm2]

Quoting for Sam to see.

I believe that if somebody has blocked a person, even their quoted messages are blocked.

You have to do the old-fashioned copy-and-paste for him to see. If you don’t know how to do the old-fashioned version, just ask @W-S HerdFan . He looks really, really old, so I’m guessing he can help with those outdated practices.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

The same thing can be said about football, Samantha.

When is the last time a team not in the top half of this version of C-USA won the football championship?

In basketball, there have been four different champions in the last five years. In football, there have been three different champions in the last five years. That means there are fewer teams controlling the conference in football than in basketball, which wrecks your argument.

In basketball, there have been five different schools playing in the championship game in the last five years. In football, there have been seven different schools playing in the championship game in the last five years. This would slightly support your argument.

Considering the number of different champions is actually lower in football than in basketball and the numbers are comparable for teams just playing in the championship game, your argument, like usual, holds no water, Sammy.

From your bestest buddy, Rifle

 

[mu_herd]

I'd like to know what the evidence is that supports Sam's claim that there is a group of schools in this conference who are giving "less effort" than the supposed elite group that Marshall is a part of. Which are the 4-5 schools giving an effort and which are the other 9-10? What "efforts" are these schools failing to make in basketball that we and our other pals are making? This is one of those things based on his own personal conjecture that he says over and over again without giving any sort of statistics or examples to back it up.

 

[The Real SamC]

You fail to understand, or better said, admit, what CUSA is. In a world with no football would UTEP, Marshall, and Florida International be in the same league? No, of course not. This league is made up of schools wanting to be on the same level in FOOTBALL. It’s members joined for one reason, because they wanted their FOOTBALL programs to compete with other FOOTBALL programs at the same level. Now, have some done well and some not as well? Yes. Were some kidding themselves making the leap from I-AA and maybe need to rethink that? Yes. But at the end of the day, all members joined for FOOTBALL. Everyone wants to be playing FOOTBALL at the same level. And that is a fairly unique thing, as there are different mixes of emphasis between the two sports in about every other I-A conference, except maybe the Sun Belt, which has a similar origin.

Everything else got dragged in. Men’s basketball, and all the other sports, at multiple levels of school and booster commitment, levels of interest among students and others, different ideas. Just for one point have you seen the GYMS some of these teams play in? Different. Some (here is looking at Texas) just have no basketball culture and don’t care. Other only have so much resources and have put 99% into football. It is what it is.

The sad thing, to me, is the delusional aspects and crazy posts about this program. Bluntly, this fan base is starting to remind me of, in basketball terms, WVU in its A10 days. Delusional. We are better than that.

 

[ARandomHerdFan]

It wouldn't be a Sam thread without his WVU obsession making an appearance.

 

[herd2believe]

One fallacy of Sam’s position is that every addition/change/creation/realignment of conferences that has occurred to change from a purely geographically based to the current leagues is because of FOOTBALL. Not only CUSA but every other conference. As has become known “football drives the bus”.

 

[The Real SamC]

As has become known “football drives the bus”.

The Big 12’s Kansas says “hi”. As does the SEC’s Kentucky and Vandy. Everybody on Tobacco Road, Virginia, and Syracuse from the ACC do as well. Over in the Pac 12 UCLA waives to you from under its 11 basketball banners. From the flat lands of the Big 10, Indiana and Purdue send greetings.

In the Group of Five, UNLV waives to you from the T&M Center; Ohio says the same from the Convo; over in the AAC, Cincinnati and Temple wave to you, as does Wichita State.

Nope, there are eight conference where there are two-sport schools; basketball schools, and football schools. And there is CUSA, and the SBC, made up of programs all trying to be good at football. All associated with one another only because of football. With different basketball commitments, including about half with almost none at all.

 

[riflearm2]

The Big 12’s Kansas says “hi”. As does the SEC’s Kentucky and Vandy. Everybody on Tobacco Road, Virginia, and Syracuse from the ACC do as well. Over in the Pac 12 UCLA waives to you from under its 11 basketball banners. From the flat lands of the Big 10, Indiana and Purdue send greetings.

In the Group of Five, UNLV waives to you from the T&M Center; Ohio says the same from the Convo; over in the AAC, Cincinnati and Temple wave to you, as does Wichita State.

Nope, there are eight conference where there are two-sport schools; basketball schools, and football schools. And there is CUSA, and the SBC, made up of programs all trying to be good at football. All associated with one another only because of football. With different basketball commitments, including about half with almost none at all.

You’re too stupid to realize that you’re now arguing against yourself.

Your claim was that C-USA was extremely odd in that football drives the bus. You claim that the conference only exists due to football, and thus, many schools in the conference put little effort in basketball.

But all FBS conferences are driven by football. Why do you think Rutgers and Maryland are in the Big 10 instead of the more geographically accurate (and better in basketball and baseball) ACC? Why is Texas A&M in the SEC instead of the more geographically accurate Big 12? Why is Nebraska in the Big 10 instead of the more geographically accurate Big 12?

Football is the motivating force for almost all schools in FBS conferences. What is best for their football is where they go.

C-USA is no exception to that as you’ve failed attempting to argue. And your argument of Kansas, Syracuse, Kentucky, etc. proves that.

 

[herdfan93]

Her are some numbers from the 2016 season from article written in June of 2018. Notice how far down we are from the "elite" basketball schools in cusa as far as mbb expenditures are concerned.

https://www.midmajormadness.com/201...ics-college-basketball-2016-gonzaga-mid-major

 

[muthed]

One fallacy of Sam’s position is that every addition/change/creation/realignment of conferences that has occurred to change from a purely geographically based to the current leagues is because of FOOTBALL. Not only CUSA but every other conference. As has become known “football drives the bus”.

Kinda like the Big Least. Oh, wait, they don't do that football thing, do they?

 

[W-S HerdFan]

from rifle:
You’re too stupid to realize that you’re now arguing against yourself.

Your claim was that C-USA was extremely odd in that football drives the bus. You claim that the conference only exists due to football, and thus, many schools in the conference put little effort in basketball.

But all FBS conferences are driven by football. Why do you think Rutgers and Maryland are in the Big 10 instead of the more geographically accurate (and better in basketball and baseball) ACC? Why is Texas A&M in the SEC instead of the more geographically accurate Big 12? Why is Nebraska in the Big 10 instead of the more geographically accurate Big 12?

Football is the motivating force for almost all schools in FBS conferences. What is best for their football is where they go.

C-USA is no exception to that as you’ve failed attempting to argue. And your argument of Kansas, Syracuse, Kentucky, etc. proves that.

 

[goherd73]

You fail to understand, or better said, admit Some (here is looking at Texas) just have no basketball culture and don’t care.

UTEP says hello. Probably the only current CUSA team in BB to have a Div 1 Championship. Their BB attendance a few years ago rivaled a few of our butts in the seat football games this year.