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Just curious, was Bob Pruitt a great coach or average since he coached in the MAC?Being rated by Sporting News as the #1 coach in CUSA doesn't mean you are a great coach. We were the conference champ for the first time last year; so who were they going to rate ahead of Doc as the CUSA coach "getting it done"?
There are only a handful of college coaches I would call great. Pruett was closer to that designation than is Doc though. Pruett dominated the MAC after taking a team from the IAA division to IA. Doc has not dominated CUSA (hopefully last year is the start of that) and hasn't beaten anyone really noteworthy yet. Doc has made coaching decisions that lost us games we should have won (WVU, UCF, etc.). Even last year in our only loss we came out and played an empty backfield the first few possessions against a team we should have been concerned about keeping the ball out of their offenses hands.Just curious, was Bob Pruitt a great coach or average since he coached in the MAC?
BP also took over a team loaded with talent. Doc took over a train wreck and has turned us back into a top 25 team again. For the record, as good as BP was he had his share of mishaps.Remember the Akron game in 2004? I think the sky is the limit for Doc.I am not sure what your definition of having a quality coach is, but I will take Doc whether he is great, good or average in your book.There are only a handful of college coaches I would call great. Pruett was closer to that designation than is Doc though. Pruett dominated the MAC after taking a team from the IAA division to IA. Doc has not dominated CUSA (hopefully last year is the start of that) and hasn't beaten anyone really noteworthy yet. Doc has made coaching decisions that lost us games we should have won (WVU, UCF, etc.). Even last year in our only loss we came out and played an empty backfield the first few possessions against a team we should have been concerned about keeping the ball out of their offenses hands.
BP was maybe the 2nd best CFB coach in America. Coach Holliday is not. But Coach Holliday IS the right fit for our Herd at this point. He is not the best at game management, but Doc has been really good at establishing a FB culture out of the chaos of MS.
Well Matt Hayes is clueless. I am not sure where he would rank but he would have to be in the top 50. Personally, I would rank him closer to top 40, only because of his length of time. I believe he will eventually get the respect he deserves. Only way to get it is to keep on winning IMO.Matt Hayes just ranked all 128 Division 1 football coaches. Doc was ranked No.68 which puts him near the top of the bottom half of all coaches.
There are only a handful of college coaches I would call great. Pruett was closer to that designation than is Doc though. Pruett dominated the MAC after taking a team from the IAA division to IA. Doc has not dominated CUSA (hopefully last year is the start of that) and hasn't beaten anyone really noteworthy yet. Doc has made coaching decisions that lost us games we should have won (WVU, UCF, etc.). Even last year in our only loss we came out and played an empty backfield the first few possessions against a team we should have been concerned about keeping the ball out of their offenses hands.
I thought he fact a field goal that could have won us the game
I'm not sure what I said that would make you think I'm clueless PD. In fact I agree with everything you said after "You are clueless". I wasn't saying Pruett was a great coach. Neither he or Doc are great coaches! But Pruett accomplished more here than Doc has thus far.You are clueless, there is a Hell of a lot more to being a Head Coach than in game coaching decisions, and hhe has greatly improved in that area as well.
Ok, so assuming for the sake of discussion Pruett was handed a cadillac and that's the reason for much of his success. Then let's see, now that Doc has the best talent at Marshall ever, if he can duplicate the success of Pruett. And for the sake of this discussion we will assume that the MAC during Pruetts tenure was a lesser conference than CUSA now. So we will call Doc's best talent ever and the MAC being a weaker conference as a wash. With this last football season as a starting point let's see if he can lead us to a conference championship 4 of the next 5 years, go to a bowl game all 5 years and win 4 of them, and have us ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season in 2 of those 5 years. When he's done those things, then we can put him at the same level as Pruett, but not before.
Come on extra, 1990's MAC would murder 2010-present CUSA.
Ok, so assuming for the sake of discussion Pruett was handed a cadillac and that's the reason for much of his success. Then let's see, now that Doc has the best talent at Marshall ever, if he can duplicate the success of Pruett. And for the sake of this discussion we will assume that the MAC during Pruetts tenure was a lesser conference than CUSA now. So we will call Doc's best talent ever and the MAC being a weaker conference as a wash. With this last football season as a starting point let's see if he can lead us to a conference championship 4 of the next 5 years, go to a bowl game all 5 years and win 4 of them, and have us ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season in 2 of those 5 years. When he's done those things, then we can put him at the same level as Pruett, but not before.
I think it depends on what "rankings" you're talking about. The CFP Rankings or the AP rankings?How is it more difficult to move up in rankings?
I think it depends on what "rankings" you're talking about. The CFP Rankings or the AP rankings?
I propose we use the same rankings now as we did when BP was coaching. AP and coaches poll.
Sadly the CFP rankings matter most now...and they are going to be hard to advance in.
If you can't win with our schedule then you can't win.
It doesn't matter. The AP and Coaches poll still exist. We use them.
I'll repeat: "With this last football season as a starting point let's see if he can lead us to a conference championship 4 of the next 5 years, go to a bowl game all 5 years and win 4 of them, and have us ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season in 2 of those 5 years. When he's done those things, then we can put him at the same level as Pruett, but not before."
The benchmark has been set by Pruett. Either Doc matches or exceeds the benchmark or he does not. It's a fair way to compare the 2 coaches. No excuses.
It doesn't matter. The AP and Coaches poll still exist. We use them.
I'll repeat: "With this last football season as a starting point let's see if he can lead us to a conference championship 4 of the next 5 years, go to a bowl game all 5 years and win 4 of them, and have us ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season in 2 of those 5 years. When he's done those things, then we can put him at the same level as Pruett, but not before."
The benchmark has been set by Pruett. Either Doc matches or exceeds the benchmark or he does not. It's a fair way to compare the 2 coaches. No excuses.
How is it more difficult to move up in rankings?