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Such a lack of understanding

Rock98Dog

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The Roe v Wade decision has made it painfully obvious how little most people understand just what the United States of America is.

Some seem to think that states are territories of the federal government instead of understanding that the federal government exists only to serve the specifically shared needs of the 50 individual states.

The federal government was intended to have very limited powers over a very limited area of responsibility. Once people grasp this simple founding concept, many of the things that complain about would make sense. Such as:

-they don’t like the electoral college because the fact that each state has two senators means small states are slightly over represented. Well, why would smaller states have joined the union if they were never going to have a real voice?

-they don’t like what happens in states they don’t live in and feel like they should be able to dictate the policy of those states. Well, when you realize that each state is its own sovereign entity, maybe you can accept that it’s none of your business what Utah does with alcohol sales, or Vermont does with abortion.

-states’ rights are the very cornerstone of our representative republic. On a federal level your power to vote is essentially meaningless. There are 535 members of Congress and you only get to vote for a couple of them. For nationwide offices you are one of 140,000,000.

On the state level you have more impact. In WV you are one of 800,000 making decisions. Maybe one of only a few thousand for your local representative.

On a local level a hand full of people with a common vision can determine exactly who is representing your interest.

This is why you always want more decisions made further down the line and closer to home.

-if you don’t like the politics and direction of the state you live in, you have the freedom to choose any other state that you like better, because states rights ensures diversity of governance. Go live with like minded individuals and be happy.
 
Yep, logic fail, point flying over your head, inability to grasp concepts, etc.
No, you're the one that stated the vote for president is essentially meaningless. I provided a solution that would make the vote count. Idiots like you just don't like the solution because your guys often lose popular votes. You know, the way every other office is determined, popular vote.
 
Idiots like you just don't like the solution because your guys often lose popular votes.

No because it disproportionately empowers more populous states. We have a couple of things that give those more populous states a larger voice - states' rights which liberals like you abhor and the House of Representatives.
 
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people


Abortion is not a constitutional right. This kicks it back to the states to decide. The ruling in 1973 was not correct.

Get over it.
 
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people


Abortion is not a constitutional right. This kicks it back to the states to decide. The ruling in 1973 was not correct.

Get over it.
You're a lying idiot trumptard oath breaker hypocrite.
 
It is right there in black and white

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 
It is right there in black and white

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
You're a lying idiot trumptard oath breaker hypocrite. You have less business than most people in the world to speak about the Constitution of the United States. You broke your oath to the Constitution in favor of a conman who incited an insurrection against the United States govt in an attempt to overturn a free and fair election.
 
You're a lying idiot trumptard oath breaker hypocrite. You have less business than most people in the world to speak about the Constitution of the United States. You broke your oath to the Constitution in favor of a conman who incited an insurrection against the United States govt in an attempt to overturn a free and fair election.
Broken Greed is my favorite Greed.
 
Confirmed by the electoral college of course.
Didn't need to be of course. But hey you moron, your lying idiot orange jesus attempted every crooked way he knew how to subvert the election, along with 7 of your crooked senators and at least 138 of your representatives that voted to reject that electoral count.
 
^^^lying idiot punk.
You mad?

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No, you're the one that stated the vote for president is essentially meaningless. I provided a solution that would make the vote count. Idiots like you just don't like the solution because your guys often lose popular votes. You know, the way every other office is determined, popular vote.
Yes, any one vote, being one of 140,000,000 cast, is statistically meaningless. That does not change with a national popular vote in any way.

That is why states’ rights are so important, as I explained, and why every attempt should be made to not expand, and instead reduce, the federal government.

The people making decisions about your life should be accountable to you to the highest level possible. The way voting works now, or with a popular vote, is that the President is accountable in no way to any individual voter. 98% of senators have no accountability to you or anyone in your state and 99.77% of House members have no accountability to you or your district. So why would anyone want those people making all the decisions.
 
Yes, any one vote, being one of 140,000,000 cast, is statistically meaningless. That does not change with a national popular vote in any way.
Of course it changes, you dimwit. My vote doesn't count at all in presidential races now. Neither does the republican vote in California.
That is why states’ rights are so important, as I explained, and why every attempt should be made to not expand, and instead reduce, the federal government.
You're an idiot. This is not the States of America, this is the UNITED States of America.
The people making decisions about your life should be accountable to you to the highest level possible.
My vote doesn't count at all in presidential races now. Neither does the republican vote in California.
 
Your vote does count, you are just in a minority in WV, so your preferred candidate loses. That’s life.

yes, we are the United States. United for our common defense, United for interstate commerce, United for the common good. However, we are still 50 separate sovereign states, each with our own government and our own interests. Each state holds an election every four years to decide who that state supports for the position of President. They base that support on a popular vote done by their citizens. So the President is chosen by popular vote, the popular vote of each of the 50 sovereign states.

a nationwide popular vote would quickly lead to the dissolution of the country. It’s possible that a candidate could receive more votes than their opponent in 49 of the 50 states and still lose the nationwide popular vote. California generally has about 3,000,000 more dem votes than Republican. One large state with a lock step world view shouldn’t be able to dictate federal leadership. Our country is far too diverse to let the principles of one state dictate. I’m sure climate change folks don’t want Texas having outsized influence anymore than I want the freaks of California having it.
 
Your vote does count, you are just in a minority in WV, so your preferred candidate loses. That’s life.

yes, we are the United States. United for our common defense, United for interstate commerce, United for the common good. However, we are still 50 separate sovereign states, each with our own government and our own interests. Each state holds an election every four years to decide who that state supports for the position of President. They base that support on a popular vote done by their citizens. So the President is chosen by popular vote, the popular vote of each of the 50 sovereign states.

a nationwide popular vote would quickly lead to the dissolution of the country. It’s possible that a candidate could receive more votes than their opponent in 49 of the 50 states and still lose the nationwide popular vote. California generally has about 3,000,000 more dem votes than Republican. One large state with a lock step world view shouldn’t be able to dictate federal leadership. Our country is far too diverse to let the principles of one state dictate. I’m sure climate change folks don’t want Texas having outsized influence anymore than I want the freaks of California having it.
Probably the best civics lesson Greed’s ever had. Questionable that he ever learned this out Wayne.
 
Your vote does count, you are just in a minority in WV, so your preferred candidate loses. That’s life.

yes, we are the United States. United for our common defense, United for interstate commerce, United for the common good. However, we are still 50 separate sovereign states, each with our own government and our own interests. Each state holds an election every four years to decide who that state supports for the position of President. They base that support on a popular vote done by their citizens. So the President is chosen by popular vote, the popular vote of each of the 50 sovereign states.

a nationwide popular vote would quickly lead to the dissolution of the country. It’s possible that a candidate could receive more votes than their opponent in 49 of the 50 states and still lose the nationwide popular vote. California generally has about 3,000,000 more dem votes than Republican. One large state with a lock step world view shouldn’t be able to dictate federal leadership. Our country is far too diverse to let the principles of one state dictate. I’m sure climate change folks don’t want Texas having outsized influence anymore than I want the freaks of California having it.
You're a total idiot.
 
Well, why would slave states have joined the union if they were never going to have a real voice because 40% of their population were not even considered human beings?
FIFY
states’ rights are the very cornerstone of our representative republic.
Also slavery.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
You are barking up the wrong tree. Governments do not grant rights. Not all rights need be enumerated, see the 9th.
My vote doesn't count at all in presidential races now. Neither does the republican vote in California.
True.

We have a system where Republicans in what would be the 6th largest economy in the world have little incentive to vote for President.

I think it is important to realize that when the Founders came up with the EC they did not know we would have the two party system as we do today.
 
Anybody who is from WV and would want California, NY, and few other states to decide the presidency every year is an IDIOT.
 
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Then why do you vote?
Our system is set up to help the minority and not let a super majority control everything. That is the beauty of it. We are not a system where the majority just runs everything. That would lead to big trouble. The President is to be the executive of all the people. Not a hand puppet for three or four big states. We are a collection of states and a representative republic. Each state gets two senators for a reason.
 
Our system is set up to help the minority and not let a super majority control everything. That is the beauty of it. We are not a system where the majority just runs everything. That would lead to big trouble. The President is to be the executive of all the people. Not a hand puppet for three or four big states. We are a collection of states and a representative republic. Each state gets two senators for a reason.
You're a lying idiot trumptard oath breaker hypocrite. You have less business than most people in the world to speak about the Constitution of the United States. You broke your oath to the Constitution in favor of a conman who incited an insurrection against the United States govt in an attempt to overturn a free and fair election.
 
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