Tesla autopilot

[GK4Herd]

Fully autonomous vehicles are just around the corner. I know many of you aren't buying in but it can't come quick enough for me.

Here's the Tesla adaptive cruise autopilot that's available already. At $140,000 it's out of most people's price range, but like all technology it will come down.

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[19MU88]

Tesla nice success story. Just saw the other day idiots on the left already trying to ruin Tesla by UAW turning it to a union shop

 

[herdfan429]

Tesla nice success story. Just saw the other day idiots on the left already trying to ruin Tesla by UAW turning it to a union shop

Tesla will be a success if the can deliver their new model at the stated 35000 price point

 

[GK4Herd]

I've read several articles where other manufacturers are jumping into the game on autonomous vehicles. Competition will bring the cost down and speed up the delivery. I remember when plasma tvs were first out on the market. I bought two of them for my business and paid over $3500 apiece. They were problematic and didn't last. Now you can buy the same quality in lcd for under $500. Wait it out. Never buy front end of new technology. This is why I passed in the 4K set when I bought a new tv last year for my home.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I want no part of this and will never own one. For me, the act and art of driving is much too enjoyable.

 

[herdfan06]

I want no part of this and will never own one. For me, the act and art of driving is much too enjoyable.

It will be nice when you are 98 and no longer able to drive.

 

[GK4Herd]

I'm the opposite. Driving...especially long distances bores me to tears. I want the day to come where I can get in my car at midnight, program it for the beach, and wake up in the parking lot of my condo.

And exactly 06, my 87 year old mother lost her license on the retest. She was extremely active and got out and did things and is now basically at the mercy of having other people take her places. Stuff as simple as going to the store is taken away. I've been told that this is the single most humiliating thing that seniors face...a loss of their freedom and mobility. With autonomous vehicles that goes away.

Traffic would be diminished (these car are going to communicate with traffic lights and other vehicles), accidents reduced to a fraction of what it is now, decreases in auto rates, reduction in DUIs, etc. The death toll will plummet to nearly nothing. But on the flip side this will take a toll on jobs. Think businesses are going to use humans and all the expenses of health insurance, salary,taxes,etc. to pilot their trucks when their goods can be shipped without humans and the human errors that go with it? Ive read that there are companies already gearing up for this.

I'm ready for it, but you know what's going to happen. Somebody is going to load their drunk buddy in their car and punch in a destination and they are going to wake up hungover in Kansas somewhere. Just you wait.

 

[herdfan06]

Vehicle ownership will also plummet and land utilization will change with the reduction of necessary parking lots and garages.

 

[herdfan429]

I'm the opposite. Driving...especially long distances bores me to tears. I want the day to come where I can get in my car at midnight, program it for the beach, and wake up in the parking lot of my condo.

And exactly 06, my 87 year old mother lost her license on the retest. She was extremely active and got out and did things and is now basically at the mercy of having other people take her places. Stuff as simple as going to the store is taken away. I've been told that this is the single most humiliating thing that seniors face...a loss of their freedom and mobility. With autonomous vehicles that goes away.

Traffic would be diminished (these car are going to communicate with traffic lights and other vehicles), accidents reduced to a fraction of what it is now, decreases in auto rates, reduction in DUIs, etc. The death toll will plummet to nearly nothing. But on the flip side this will take a toll on jobs. Think businesses are going to use humans and all the expenses of health insurance, salary,taxes,etc. to pilot their trucks when their goods can be shipped without humans and the human errors that go with it? Ive read that there are companies already gearing up for this.

I'm ready for it, but you know what's going to happen. Somebody is going to load their drunk buddy in their car and punch in a destination and they are going to wake up hungover in Kansas somewhere. Just you wait.

Huge cost associated with upgrading infrastructure. Ultimately that will be biggest issue

 

[Rock98Dog]

Read an article the other day where some company was already building a driverless semi. I have no doubt it's coming, but don't know if we have the satellite capacity to handle 200,000,000 vehicles tooling around at the same time, or if we are anywhere close. If the satellites overload, causing a few second delay in communicating with all those cars I could see about 30,000,000 crashes all at once. That would suck.

 

[herdfan06]

Read an article the other day where some company was already building a driverless semi. I have no doubt it's coming, but don't know if we have the satellite capacity to handle 200,000,000 vehicles tooling around at the same time, or if we are anywhere close. If the satellites overload, causing a few second delay in communicating with all those cars I could see about 30,000,000 crashes all at once. That would suck.

200,000,000 at the same time?

 

[GK4Herd]

Read an article the other day where some company was already building a driverless semi. I have no doubt it's coming, but don't know if we have the satellite capacity to handle 200,000,000 vehicles tooling around at the same time, or if we are anywhere close. If the satellites overload, causing a few second delay in communicating with all those cars I could see about 30,000,000 crashes all at once. That would suck.

I don't think they depend on satellites for driving. I believe it's roof mounted radar and laser called Lidar. This device uses lasers along with infrared and optical sensors on the front and side to give it a high resolution digital image of the road, other vehicles, and the driving course conditions. A glitch in a GPS satellite may cause it to drive lost until it regained its satellite communication, but it wouldn't cause it to wreck. The worst case scenario would be an onboard computer error of sorts. But what would make that any more vulnerable than the computer systems in airplanes that we fly in without concern?

 

[Rock98Dog]

You may fly without concern, but I and many others don't. I know it's statistically much safer to fly than drive, just like taking the human element out of driving would make it much safer, but the total lack of control makes it disconcerting for me. Heck, they are very few people that I will ride in a car with because I don't trust most people's driving. Again, I realize that's a strong argument for automation, but just for other people, not me.

I also see a huge economic downside to this. If all cars are self controlled, then differentiation becomes much less important. Why buy an expensive sports car if it will operate within the exact same framework as a Camry? True, maybe people shouldn't spend money on such cars, but those that build those cars, and the companies that rely on the high margins those cars offer, may feel differently.

I just don't see a country that embraces individuality and freedom jumping on this willingly.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

It will be nice when you are 98 and no longer able to drive.

It will be a miracle if I live that long.

 

[herdfan06]

I also see a huge economic downside to this. If all cars are self controlled, then differentiation becomes much less important. Why buy an expensive sports car if it will operate within the exact same framework as a Camry? True, maybe people shouldn't spend money on such cars, but those that build those cars, and the companies that rely on the high margins those cars offer, may feel differently.

I think the whole notion of car ownership will change with far fewer people owning cars and those cars/vehicles that are owned will essentially be a condo on wheels.

 

[Rock98Dog]

That would require a complete retooling of the entire auto industry and, if they are going to retool and build new plants, it probably won't be in the USA.

 

[i am herdman]

I don't think they depend on satellites for driving. I believe it's roof mounted radar and laser called Lidar. This device uses lasers along with infrared and optical sensors on the front and side to give it a high resolution digital image of the road, other vehicles, and the driving course conditions. A glitch in a GPS satellite may cause it to drive lost until it regained its satellite communication, but it wouldn't cause it to wreck. The worst case scenario would be an onboard computer error of sorts. But what would make that any more vulnerable than the computer systems in airplanes that we fly in without concern?

It is coming at some level and some point. GPS will be a part of the equation. I believe the Tesla has onboard GPS as well as the radar and an accoustic sensor. Some of the auto manufacturers and Google are pushing the envelope by adding higher accuracy GPS sensors that what are in your car for navigating .Think CM or inches instead of meters and feet like a Garmin. Google wants a completely autonomous vehicle(no driver necessary). which beyond what Tesla is doing now. The other auto giants are working on it as well. You are going to have to have a more accurate GPS sensor for the guidance system, inertial navigation system of some sort(think missle, ship, and planes). Of course the cost will have to be reduced in order for it to be massed marketed. There is going to have to be a high accuracy guidance component.

The Tesla is just the beginning. I think it is limited in speed and curvy roads and such are problem.

 

[GK4Herd]

It is coming at some level and some point. GPS will be a part of the equation. I believe the Tesla has onboard GPS as well as the radar and an accoustic sensor. Some of the auto manufacturers and Google are pushing the envelope by adding higher accuracy GPS sensors that what are in your car for navigating .Think CM or inches instead of meters and feet like a Garmin. Google wants a completely autonomous vehicle(no driver necessary). which beyond what Tesla is doing now. The other auto giants are working on it as well. You are going to have to have a more accurate GPS sensor for the guidance system, inertial navigation system of some sort(think missle, ship, and planes). Of course the cost will have to be reduced in order for it to be massed marketed. There is going to have to be a high accuracy guidance component.

The Tesla is just the beginning. I think it is limited in speed and curvy roads and such are problem.

Of course gps will be a part of the autonomous vehicles. I was addressing the assertion that a satellite glitch would wreck hundreds of thousands of cars during one event. It won't. The cars are still guided by their onboard set up.

 

[From Ashes To Glory 2]

Thank you West Virginia Senate President Bill Cole (R). You can't even purchase a Tesla from the manufacturer via a Tesla office in West Virginia. Talk about crony capitalism.