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Her freedom to sit during the pledge should be without dispute.
BULLCRAP. Kids are pawns of their parents. Kid rights is an extention of a parents wishes. What's next kids having rights to stay home from school
Here’s the part that gets me. The principal’s statement...
"She can't come to my school if she won't stand for the pledge."
I have news for that principal. The school isn’t his. It’s paid for and supported by taxpayer money. The school belongs to everyone.
well....that doesn't seem to be the case for this girl now does it. so everyone except her?
glad she got booted
In the old days there would be no lawsuits. .
But, she can suffer the consequences.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from scorn.There we have it. Every once in a great while you inadvertently tell the truth. You are fine with an American citizen suffering consequences for exercising a Constitutional right.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from scorn.
sure. Free speech. Call a cop a pig and goat ****er. Get hit with a stick. No problem. Free speech.There we have it. Every once in a great while you inadvertently tell the truth. You are fine with an American citizen suffering consequences for exercising a Constitutional right.
I didn't say it was fine. I said there were consequences.Did someone declare it to be one and the same? Or are you joining ranks with herdman in believing it's fine for someone to suffer consequences for exercising a Constitutional right?
Most of the time. You know what would have happened in our day if someone would have sat down for the pledge.The old days, like 1943?
If you had Mr. Hogg in high school, I know you know about WV v Barnette.
sure. Free speech. Call a cop a pig and goat ****er. Get hit with a stick. No problem. Free speech.
Walk up and call a 6 ' 9" black guy a you know what. Get your ass kicked. No problem. Free speech.
Sometimes things take care of themselves. No need for a lawyer.
Most of the time. You know what would have happened in our day if someone would have sat down for the pledge.
I don't remember anybody not standing.I remember kids who did not stand for the pledge...and nothing happened.
I just said things would take care of themselves. Both ways. No expulsion. No lawsuits. Whatever.There’s a family of Jehovah’s Witnesses that sit for the pledge during the morning assembly every day at the school I teach at. When you have them in your class you have to make allowances for Christmas and other Holidays that they don’t celebrate. They aren’t shunned by the other kids in the least. Their sitting during the pledge is accepted by the other kids and I’ve never witnessed any open hostility toward them. I’ve heard some teachers grumble because they have to make a special effort for them when planning holiday events for the kids, but I’ve seen no animosity from the students at all. Kids are fairly accepting of individual differences in the way people believe. I find it’s the adults who have the most issues with acceptance.
Not that I think that herdman’s depiction of this built in social structure that metes out their own personal justice wasn’t possible in pockets in the “old days,” I believe that his reminiscences are more a product of his own romanticized views rather than a widespread reality. My wife graduated from the same high school as you herdman, and she doesn’t recall any situations where the nationalistic social structure was maintained by students “ridicul(ing) to humiliation” other students for their religious or political beliefs.
I don't remember anybody not standing.
Honoring the country and looking at nice asses. Great way to start the day.Because you were looking at girl's asses during the pledge.
I remember some long-hairs that didn't stand. And I know we had some Jehovah's Witnesses in school, obviously they did not stand.
Honoring the country and looking at nice asses. Great way to start the day.
Maybe there were a few, I just don't remember. I do remember things being much more simple then and easier.
Honoring the country and looking at nice asses. Great way to start the day.
Maybe there were a few, I just don't remember. I do remember things being much more simple then and easier.
Everything is a federal case now days.
“ To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds."
From the majority opinion of West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette by Justice Robert H. Jackson in 1943.
It was simpler for me too. It's probably because I was a dumbass who didn't understand the issues.
I understand the issue. If you don't stand for the flag you are being unpatriotic. Free country, your choice. Oh, I get it.Somebody will have to explain this to Herdman, so I will: he is saying that you don't understand the issue, because you're a dumbass.
I understand the issue. If you don't stand for the flag you are being unpatriotic. Free country, your choice. Oh, I get it.
Sure, if I go out where you live and say, listen here you backward ass Wayne inbreds, I will kick all your asses. What do you think will happen? I exorcised my free speech. I get my ass kicked. I would suffer the consequences, correct? Would you come out and say stop, he was exorcising his free speech? Or would you say, that dumb ass deserved it?We get it too. You still want someone exercising their Constitutional right to suffer the consequences.
I understand the issue. If you don't stand for the flag you are being unpatriotic. Free country, your choice. Oh, I get it.
California can leave the country for all I careIt's bizarre. Go ask your forestry friends in California how many countries make their children stand daily and recite a pledge to the flag. Then, for a country built on freedom on religion, one that is not supposed to show favoritism to any religion(s), explain how it makes any sense to force its children to say such a pledge that includes "under God."
Sure, if I go out where you live and say, listen here you backward ass Wayne inbreds, I will kick all your asses. What do you think will happen? I exorcised my free speech. I get my ass kicked. I would suffer the consequences, correct? Would you come out and say stop, he was exorcising his free speech? Or would you say, that dumb ass deserved it?