The Ukraine/Biden mess
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I remember you saying that you regretted voting for Obama, which I can only assume meant you voted for Trump. No?
Obligatory "you know what happens when you assume" comment.
Can't believe you, of all people, are avoiding requested follow up on this comment. What facts, the real ones, are you talking about? This is the third time I've asked, so if you don't reply this time I'll just figure you made an unsubstantiated comment and don't want to discuss it further.
which means it's all about America First and not about a move to socialism. it's not hard to figure out. what's vexing is how many don't support that.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-ukrainian-president-officials-say/ar-AAHJWJb
“I don’t think it really matters . . . whether the president explicitly told the Ukrainians that they wouldn’t get their security aid if they didn’t interfere in the 2020 elections,” said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).
Translation: Dems admitting they need a new (false) narrative for "Impeachment" support.
“I don’t think it really matters . . . whether the president explicitly told the Ukrainians that they wouldn’t get their security aid if they didn’t interfere in the 2020 elections,” said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).
Translation: Dems admitting they need a new (false) narrative for "Impeachment" support.
The rest of Sen Murphy's quote: “There is an implicit threat in every demand that a United States president makes of a foreign power. . . . That foreign country knows that if they don’t do it, there are likely to be consequences.”
The facts we know are these:
IMO, the thing that will probably drive an impeachment vote is withholding the whistle-blower report from Congress. They will view it as simply another piece of withheld information to become mired in a lengthy, legal process... a process that will go for months. It's reported that an impeachment investigation would make that information immediately available. While they're at it, perhaps they can finally get his tax returns. Guess we'll see....however to pursue impeachment would be a serious about face for Nancy Pelosi.
The facts we know are these:
- We know Trump raised Biden/Ukraine on the phone call with no response from Ukraine....
- We know he instructed money be withheld after that call.
IMO, the thing that will probably drive an impeachment vote is withholding the whistle-blower report from Congress. They will view it as simply another piece of withheld information to become mired in a lengthy, legal process... a process that will go for months. It's reported that an impeachment investigation would make that information immediately available. While they're at it, perhaps they can finally get his tax returns. Guess we'll see....however to pursue impeachment would be a serious about face for Nancy Pelosi.
Trump will not lose the 2020 election.
Destroying him prior to Election Day is their only chance, and everyone of them know it.
Who knows? This thing may have been concocted by Trump. It certainly has provided a great platform for him to talk about Hunter Biden. Appears to me they're prepared to handle.
Why don't you worry more about these congressmen that go up there with a net worth of $50,000 and come out millionaires?
What delusional world are you living in? Countless sites, including this one, have listed links to thousands of lies created by cheeto. The frequency and level of lies is something that has never been witnessed out of that office in history. Yet deplorables continue to suck all of it up.
That is not an unsubstantiated comment. It's reality. Denying it is simply living in bizarro world.
Guys like Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, O’Reilly have been talking about Hunter Biden for six months. This isn’t anything new.
A great example why term limits should be employed...and why we need to get $$ out of politics.
This issue is about a President using his office and tax payer $$ to possibly dig up dirt on a political opponent.
Understood... This incident has blown-up the narrative to be published on EVERY network and news outlet. The examples you cited are primarily conservative news outlets - they do not deliver anywhere near the distribution of the Wall Street Journal, NY Times, Washington Post, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN....etc. My guess is, this is the first time many Democratic primary voters have been exposed to this info. Could it impact their vote in the primary? Look how Elizabeth Warren has moved ahead of Biden in Iowa the last few days.
Perfect description of suppressing news to fit the narrative.
Each side of the aisle stinks, not a nickel difference in either. The end game is the same for both, the public bickering is nothing more than a distracting sideshow.
Not exactly.
The Biden issue was openly written about and introduced by Politico. This is the only reason why conservative pundits knew to bring this up. Of course the big news agencies ignored it. It's ok when Dems (biden sr.) openly brag about using tax payer money to insure their kids are paid hundreds of millions $$$ by foreign countries.
This Biden issue was investigated and cleared as no crime. It was one set of media that chose to continue to pursue. I agree with you, but this also has something to do with what media outlets we choose to consume.
However, in the possible case of Trump sicing Ukraine on Biden, there may have been a crime committed. This "everyone does it" is a pretty weak defense. If I murdered someone, I doubt my claiming, "well, that person killed someone and got away with it. Therefore, I'm innocent" would be an effective defense.
And one set that chooses to ignore.
You underestimate what sources conservatives, that I know, reference for information.
Sorry, I was not speaking with you. He mentioned certain facts, I am curious which certain facts he was referencing. He made no mention of lies told by Trump. So not only are you butting in to a conversation you have no part of, you are doing it with a worthless comment that doesn't pertain to the issue.
Unless GK is another of your countless monikers, your entire post is worthless speculation of his intent and therefore not worth reading.
You should listen to Robert Downey Jr., never go full retard. You have gone full retard.
How can you even attempt to debate this? GK's post said that cheeto supporters have shown to not be concerned with facts. There are two things included in his statement: cheeto supporters and not caring about facts.
How else do you think he would mean that if it didn't mean that cheeto supporters continue to support him regardless of his constant lies and use of "alternative facts"?
Are you really claiming that wasn't what he meant? What the fvck else would he have meant by it?
According to Representative Chris Stewart, R-Utah, the Whistleblower's complaint has been declassified! All of us will soon be able to read it and draw our own conclusions.
It's sad that you have turned stupid. You, at least, used to be somewhat interesting. Now just a shell of your former self.
All the Dems are doing is turning people off.The more they talk ,the more Trump people are going out to work for his second term .I am one of them.America first.
Hard to believe there are so many that didn't see this coming. The guy lies every single day of the world. He keeps saying the Mueller report cleared him of obstruction.... Which it absolutely did not.
Pelosi was continually pressed to begin impeachment. She was against it. Thought it was devisive....and she didn't believe they could make an effective case against Trump. She told them to be patient - Trump would self-impeach eventually. And that came true - this is all on Trump.
The day after that pathetic Mueller performance, dipshit Trump gets on the phone and begins another episode of enlisting the assistance of foreign countries in the Presidential election. Now, watching Mueller and Nadler, it's easy to understand why he thought he could get away with it....but "getting away with it" is the issue. He's a crook, a con man and a world class liar. It's caught up with him.
Pelosi was continually pressed to begin impeachment. She was against it. Thought it was devisive....and she didn't believe they could make an effective case against Trump. She told them to be patient - Trump would self-impeach eventually. And that came true - this is all on Trump.
The day after that pathetic Mueller performance, dipshit Trump gets on the phone and begins another episode of enlisting the assistance of foreign countries in the Presidential election. Now, watching Mueller and Nadler, it's easy to understand why he thought he could get away with it....but "getting away with it" is the issue. He's a crook, a con man and a world class liar. It's caught up with him.
got damn, i'm a clairvoyant, posted the appropriate response to your wish in one hand shit in the other post before you posted it.
What's sad is that you've been asked a few very simple questions to explain what else could GK have possibly been referring to, and you refuse to answer them.
It's very clear what he meant by saying cheeto supporters don't seem concerned about facts.
1) cheeto's lying and "alternative facts" are notorious and well known
2) cheeto supporters, including those on here, never are bothered by his constant lies and always try to make an excuse for them
Add those two things up and what does it equal? cheeto supporters don't seem bothered with facts.
Again, what fvcking else could he have meant by his comment? You really need him to dumb it down for you?
you sure have snuggled up closely to a certain poster's nut sack, since he started tossing out the bitchassness line.
It's odd. It is as if Banker thinks he has GK in some "gotcha' moment" or GK said something unreasonable or debatable.
He said that cheeto supporters don't seem too concerned with facts. It's obvious what that refers to, and Banker is pushing him to respond like there isn't a zillion lies out there that cheeto has told and that his supporters don't care about.
That was a great post, wasn't it? Is it still up or did it get zapped?
I have a legit question. Let's say, there's a guy/girl that makes up multiple new accounts per week. His/her posts get deleted on the HN forum, and the account is banned. Why is it, that that poster's posts continue to show up on this forum? Just curious to know how that's working, because I thought once the account was deleted, your posts vanish along with the account.
It’s called “creative accounting.” When Coward Stowers is caught in another one of his numerous lies, he claims all of the posts are automatically deleted when an account is banned. But in the rare times he isn’t lying, the posts still appear after a ban.
so that account isn't deleted, it's just banned, and then he works overtime to delete certain individual posts, but yet, leaves quoted content alone. Almost all that person's content is typically copied by a bitchassness type person. Seems like a lot of work. Hope herdman doesn't have to do that job, once he gets his moderator powers.
