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extragreen

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WV residents have been given the honor to pay for the upgrade of 3 coal fired power plants to stay open until 2040. At a cost of $448 million to WV residents. Using the last 4 years of net income as an average for those years, AEP will NET 37 BILLION. That net income would pay for 82 upgrades (3 per year avg.) of $448 million . Why can't AEP pay for it's own upgrades?? Socialism for the rich.
 
How is it "socialism" when the customers will be paying for it?
Usually utility customers are just as captive as taxpayers. It's no more socialism than most of the shit you all claim is socialism, but I get his point.

@extragreen , can you link a source to the claim about how much AEP will profit from this? I do find that interesting.

Personally I wouldn't mind a 3.3% rate increase if it benefited me. Decreased pollution is certainly a benefit. But it would be wiser to for utilities to move to other power sources. Yes that will cost us too.

A slightly funny story: My local coal power plants do not have cooling towers. Amos does. I remember as a kid driving through WV and catching a glimpse of Amos as we crossed that bridge, I thought it was a nuclear plant. Being a geeky kid I was excited to see one! Found out years later when I moved to WV it was a coal plant lol.
 
"Socialism" within the context of the utility would be the businesses needing to go to a governing body and asking permission to raise the rates of it's customers to pay for it. But this isn't even the point greedtard was attempting to make. He's an idiot.
 
please see my statement above. He didn't have a point.
His point is AEP can afford these upgrades through their profits alone, but instead of creating a slight burden on the shareholders they are creating a slight burden on the customers. Thus the customers are subsidizing the shareholders. If the only way to pay for these upgrades and be profitable is to increase prices, he has no point; that's why I asked for a source on his claim of AEP's profits and how this was extrapolated over time.

An alternative would be an electric co-op that also generates power. Those do exist, in fact they exist right here in Indiana. A second alternative would be actual socialism, in which the government owns the electric service.
 
His point is AEP can afford these upgrades through their profits alone, but instead of creating a slight burden on the shareholders they are creating a slight burden on the customers. Thus the customers are subsidizing the shareholders. If the only way to pay for these upgrades and be profitable is to increase prices, he has no point;
That's actually called capitalism...not, socialism. A customer ultimately pays for all expenses of the business. He has no point.
 
@extragreen , can you link a source to the claim about how much AEP will profit from this? I do find that interesting.


 
Actually "payment" for services isn't the only thing that determines what is "socialistic". But nice try.
 
what we have here is a washed up cabinet maker from out Wayne pretending to be an expert on Economics.

if he's not careful, Joe B. liable to give him a job.
 
His point is AEP can afford these upgrades through their profits alone, but instead of creating a slight burden on the shareholders they are creating a slight burden on the customers. Thus the customers are subsidizing the shareholders. If the only way to pay for these upgrades and be profitable is to increase prices, he has no point; that's why I asked for a source on his claim of AEP's profits and how this was extrapolated over time.

An alternative would be an electric co-op that also generates power. Those do exist, in fact they exist right here in Indiana. A second alternative would be actual socialism, in which the government owns the electric service.
We have many electric co-ops here. Mostly in rural areas and that is what they were designed for.
 
That's actually called capitalism...not, socialism. A customer ultimately pays for all expenses of the business. He has no point.
It's not free market capitalism* because the customer has no other choice and it is something they absolutely need, and the state has assured the right of monopoly. Generally in this nation this has been done in a way that private ownership of a utility understands profits will be somewhat muted because we expect utility monopolies to operate in the public interest and maintain their shit. This notion has been undercut by the political influence utilities buy.

* Not all capitalism is good. Serfdom and slavery are forms of capitalism, but both suck. And we have learned from globalism that pure free markets can be shitty. Utility monopoly capitalism is a mixed bag and sometimes a necessary evil; I believe Adam Smith would not have been impressed with it. Of course Texas went another route and managed to prove free market utilities can also be pretty shitty. Yay Texas.

So again, I get his point, but it ain't socialism....and we can agree on that.
 

"In their testimony, AEP officials declined to provide an estimate of such costs."

Well ain't that convenient. AEP is gonna milk these old plants.

I decided to look up who is on the WVPSC. Bill Raney, not sure the long time head of the coal operators lobby group would decide anything in the public interest. Charlotte Lane, Jesus Christ she's still around?
 
We have many electric co-ops here. Mostly in rural areas and that is what they were designed for.
I don't believe that is entirely accurate. Rural EMCs were necessary for rural electrification because corporations didn't want to do it. But rural only operations has its own issues, because fewer/isolated customers raises costs. I am sure co-ops would work fine for large urban centers, and would likely work better there than they do for rural areas. Of course that possibility is the the horse that long ago left the barn.
 
Name some things that are socialistic where the government takes YOUR tax money and gives that money to poor people....
No. We've already established your attempt at suggesting a company charging more $$ for cost it's incurring isn't socialism.
 
No. We've already established your attempt at suggesting a company charging more $$ for cost it's incurring isn't socialism.
No. What we've established is that your attempt to debunk my "socialism for the rich" by offering that customers paying for a product disqualifies it, is as stupid as usual for you.
 
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No. What we've established is that your attempt to debunk my "socialism for the rich" by offering that customers paying for a product disqualifies it, is as stupid as usual for you.
No. No WE haven’t.

YOU have (tried). Which means nothing. Carry on.
 
Do you know Rihanna in Columbus? She wants me to go there Saturday for a workshop. I'm really leaning toward doing it now.

I kind of think if I went anywhere else, she would be cursing me all day and put some kind of hex on me. I don't believe in hexes, but just in your head when you know you've let someone down it does weigh on you, and you are more apt to just have something bad happen that way.

For some reason, she wants to try to save my pathetic life. Nobody has wanted to really for as long as I can remember. Even if it's for money, hell that would be a great replacement for my mom. That's all she wanted, and I miss it terribly.
 
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