Brad Smith and NIL money

[Catfanatic1979v1]

Tudors Biscuit World and Gino's Pizza can't prop up our program with NIL money. Who knew?

Maybe it's time for our mega rich President of Marshall to tap into the Silicon Valley scene for NIL. He was brought here due to his big money ties.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Maybe it's time for our mega rich President of Marshall to tap into the Silicon Valley scene for NIL. He was brought here due to his big money ties.

Brad wasn't brought here to help fund the NIL.

 

[redsfan5590]

Tudors Biscuit World and Gino's Pizza can't prop up our program with NIL money. Who knew?

Maybe it's time for our mega rich President of Marshall to tap into the Silicon Valley scene for NIL. He was brought here due to his big money ties.

Maybe it’s time for the coach to stop attacking the same area and people who he is asking for money from

 

[RhinoD]

Tudors Biscuit World and Gino's Pizza can't prop up our program with NIL money. Who knew?

Maybe it's time for our mega rich President of Marshall to tap into the Silicon Valley scene for NIL. He was brought here due to his big money ties.

This couldn't be further from the truth... Brad Smith was brought in because he knows how to run a business/organization, and subsequently has shown he is taking to running a university just fine.

You think he can just call up some guys in Silicon Valley and be like - "Hey man, long time, we need millions in NIL dollars to give to 18-22 year olds so we can win some more football games. Can you help us out?"

 

[Herdguy04]

Tudors Biscuit World and Gino's Pizza can't prop up our program with NIL money. Who knew?

Maybe it's time for our mega rich President of Marshall to tap into the Silicon Valley scene for NIL. He was brought here due to his big money ties.

Why don't you up your donation?

 

[The Real SamC]

Understand what NIL is. It has nothing really to do with someone caring about a ball player's name image or likeness. It is just pay.

Say you own a widget factory. You want to sell more widgets, so you buy ads. Whatever type be it on the internet, TV, a billboard, whatever. Your expectation is you will sell more widgets than the cost of the ads. It is a business and businesses expect returns on investment.

But this isn't that.

Say you also are a big fan of State U. You hate Tech. Cannot stand those guys. So you want Johnny Fivestar to play for State U. So you pay him $X to endorse your widgets. You have absolutely zero expectation that you are going to sell one more widget because of Johnny Fivestar. Not the point. You just want to beat Tech.

It is not Brad Smith, nor CS nor DD, no CH 's job to beat around for some unrelated to Marshall entity to pay our players. Why would some "silicon valley type" care one way or the other if Marshall beats Louisiana Monroe?

Thus MU has what it has. Local businesses and statewide businesses that have a little extra to toss into a pot to pay MU players. CS does have a duty to try to beat the bushes and get everything organized, but no one not related to MU, or to Huntington or West Virginia, is going to give a cent. Why would they?

 

[Rock98Dog]

Man, I’m 100% with Sam on this.

NIL was passed so players could profit off their image instead of being taken advantage of and not sharing in revenue they directly created. Things like jersey sales with their name on it or the inclusion of their name and image in a video game.

If they want to make bank they should have to get a personal business manager to find opportunities for them. Get together with teammates and do autograph shows. Print some shirts and sell them. This whole thing got bastardized out of the gate.

 

[HerdFB1]

Smith is doing a really good job growing the university - enrollment and revenue is up and expenses are down. I think he added credibility to Marshall as a university.

 

[raleighherdfan]

The heck with those Silicon Valley guys. Maybe @extragreen's business would sponsor.... Oh wait...

 

[Herdman71]

Understand what NIL is. It has nothing really to do with someone caring about a ball player's name image or likeness. It is just pay.

Say you own a widget factory. You want to sell more widgets, so you buy ads. Whatever type be it on the internet, TV, a billboard, whatever. Your expectation is you will sell more widgets than the cost of the ads. It is a business and businesses expect returns on investment.

But this isn't that.

Say you also are a big fan of State U. You hate Tech. Cannot stand those guys. So you want Johnny Fivestar to play for State U. So you pay him $X to endorse your widgets. You have absolutely zero expectation that you are going to sell one more widget because of Johnny Fivestar. Not the point. You just want to beat Tech.

It is not Brad Smith, nor CS nor DD, no CH 's job to beat around for some unrelated to Marshall entity to pay our players. Why would some "silicon valley type" care one way or the other if Marshall beats Louisiana Monroe?

Thus MU has what it has. Local businesses and statewide businesses that have a little extra to toss into a pot to pay MU players. CS does have a duty to try to beat the bushes and get everything organized, but no one not related to MU, or to Huntington or West Virginia, is going to give a cent. Why would they?

Just curious to all those who feel MU NIL trust isn’t raising enough money. Would like to know if anyone has facts that would tell us how much has been raised to date and how we stack up to other teams in Sunbelt.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Just curious to all those who feel MU NIL trust isn’t raising enough money. Would like to know if anyone has facts that would tell us how much has been raised to date and how we stack up to other teams in Sunbelt.

We'll never know that.
We have the under publicized 1837 Club which was formed so fans could join and contribute $18.37 a month or more towards the NIL pot of money.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Just curious to all those who feel MU NIL trust isn’t raising enough money. Would like to know if anyone has facts that would tell us how much has been raised to date and how we stack up to other teams in Sunbelt.

It's near impossible for G5 schools to raise significant NIL money. Coastal just decided to dissolve their NIL group. It's also true for most of the P5. The big money is only going to the top players at the top schools because they have more visibility. No big corporations are going to be paying out 6-7 figures for players at G5s. Especially those at the bottom of their divisions.

What we've seen with Kinsey and Ali is about what Marshall and most schools are going to be able to to offer. They get some local car commercials or appearance fees.

This whole thing is absolutely terrible.

It's being reported now that Marvin Harrison Jr may get more than $25M to stay at Ohio State instead of going in the draft. That's insane.

$25,000,000 for Heisman finalist Marvin Harrison Jr. if WR stays at Ohio State in 2024: Reports

As anticipated in many quarters before the commencement of the season, Marvin Harrison Jr. has had another brilliant year with Ohio State in 2023.

www.sportskeeda.com

Marvin Harrison Jr. Teases Return To Ohio State Amid Reports Of Historic NIL Deal

Will Marvin Harrison Jr. pull the trigger on returning to Ohio State? He teased a return amid a possible historic NIL deal.

www.outkick.com

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I won't donate a dime of my money to this garbage. Hard working people being asked to donate their hard earned money so some college kid can become a millionaire.

 

[RhinoD]

Absolutely could not agree more... I will buy season tickets, merchandise, give to the Big Green, soccer boosters, baseball brick project, and any other number of ways I can help out... But I won't be funding NIL.

 

[RhinoD]

And as a side note, if some booster at Ohio State is going to pay $25 million for one year of Marvin Harrison Jr. (a great player, but a non-premium position) then that booster is a moron and deserves to be out $25 million while Ohio State goes 10-2 and misses the playoffs again next season.

 

[whf2]

First of all, NIL WAS intended to be a fair trade agreement between individual players and people or businesses who wanted to use their Name, Image or Likeness in public affairs. That is exactly what it was, a way for players to earn money on their Names, Images, and Likenesses. They don't have to do any work if they don't agree to it, they can allow Company A or Bobby B to use their picture in advertising, they could make an add using their picture, they could ask them for an indorsement, they could us a Avatar representing the player, etc. These were to be one on one deals, the schools built "portals" to reach the players and make the contacts, etc. as necessary. Marshall chose and employed such an organization.

Then the organizations decided they'd seek "group funding" for players who would agree to do some stuff that the organization asked them to do; things like they used to do for the public for free...maybe visit a local non-profit, etc. This is where organizations like the Thunder Trust came into being. Some are, or started out being Non-profit; this was so that donors didn't have to be identified. Others were licensed operating businesses from the beginning. Now there has been a ruling concerning the capabilities of staying a non-profit.

Then came the next stage, players building their own organizations, consortiums, etc.; offering themselves for NIL gigs.

So this doesn't sound too bad; but then the schools / coaches started offering Player X NIL money of Y to come play at their school. Then they run back to the organizations like the Thunder Trust and tell them they need Y money by Z date to get a commitment for Player X for the coming year. This is where the idea of NIL went array; the schools got way too deep into negotiating dollars for pay to play.

Actually, it, in my opinion, isn't even a good thing for Spears and Company to be advertising the Thunder Trust and 1837 concept. As an independent organization, with its own Board of Directors, etc. the Thunder Trust should be the one asking for these monies and promoting the concept.

Finally, since organizations own the marketing rights and licensing of logos, ets., unless they get some money too, they don't have to allow NIL agreements that use the actual licensed logos and marketing messaging of the schools. Learfield is such an organization.

Sorry for the lengthy post, it just drives me nuts that what could have been a great concept for players who's Name, Image and Likeness is worth something to the public around them has now been traded for coaches identifying and offering pay for the players they want to lure to their schools.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

I've never purchased a product because some athlete endorsed it. A stupid and very shortsighted reason to buy.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

I've never purchased a product because some athlete endorsed it. A stupid and very shortsighted reason to buy.

People do though. They'll see Gronk in some ad wearing shoes that he's being paid to wear and believe that when he says that they're the best and only shoes he ever wears that he wasn't being paid to say that.

Corporations by in large are only going to be putting their money where they can get some return out of it. Unless off course you're Phil Knight with stupid money and you buy players for your school. See Gabirel.

There just aren't a lot of G5s out there with deep pocket donors with F-U money buying the top players for them. I'm sure there may be isolated examples, but they're exceptions to the rule.

It's like I said before. If Huff and Marshall are looking at Matt Rhule's comments and worried about the top 10 teams are doing then they're stupid because Marshall is not competing with Bama. We never were and never will be. We are competing with Appy, Coastal, and JMU. Huff blasting Marshall to the media because we can't buy players is moronic. I'd like to know what all the QBs in the SBC are getting.

 

[19MU88]

Maybe it’s time for the coach to stop attacking the same area and people who he is asking for money from

hey, I'm ready for Huff to move on but at least he gave our cheap fans an excuse for not giving or giving minimally.

 

[The Real SamC]

And as a side note, if some booster at Ohio State is going to pay $25 million for one year of Marvin Harrison Jr. (a great player, but a non-premium position) then that booster is a moron and deserves to be out $25 million while Ohio State goes 10-2 and misses the playoffs again next season.

How much NIL money is really out there? As I said, this is not advertising, with an expectation of a return. This is just some rich guys paying the players for "their" school. $25M is way different from boosters slipping a guy an envelope full of C-notes or some player getting a Lexus or some player's mom getting hired at some no show job, which is something even an upper middle class businessman can get by with.

This is real money. Now, why do old white men buy pro sports teams? Because they want to be NOTICED. They have intergenerational level wealth and want to be NOTICED. They want that shot of them in the owner's box with Taylor Swift or whoever is the flavor of the day next year, that the networks have to show in every game. They want to be handed that trophy by the commissioner. They want guys hanging around bars, or on the internet, to discuss their moves, their ideas, and all that. They want to be famous.

For every Jerry Jones, or Mark Cuban, or Steve Cohn, there are a thousand guys with just as much money, but without the short d*** syndrome that makes them want to be NOTICED. They just go about their lives fairly quietly, no body much knows who they are, and they are fine with that. They can, if they wanted to, walk in any Publix in Florida or Ralph's in California, and nobody would care. And they have put their money in other things that are WAY better investments than pro sports teams.

But, while pro sports teams are not the greatest investment, they are an investment. The TV networks and the ticket buyers pay them. And they actually own the team, make profits from it, and when the time comes, they can sell it to the next short d***ed old white man, who wants to be NOTICED.

In college? No body knows who these guys are. Name 5 Ohio State boosters. Heck, name 5 Marshall boosters. So there is none of that psychological return of owning the team and being NOTICED. And, this booster doesn't own Ohio State. The people of Ohio do. All he gets for his $25M (and that is $25M for ONE YEAR) is, best case scenario (not happening) is the same shirt any retard can buy at the South Point Wal-Mart.

Nah.

 

[Herdguy04]

MU fans were upset at the advertising now...just wait till uniforms start looking like NASCAR jumpsuits.

I cannot imagine (Marvin Harrison JR) is going to bode well overall.

I don't know him, haven't seen how he acts on social media or anything, but $25 million is going to get to his head, or someone.
Their O-Line won't be nearly as compensated, and you don't think that won't cause tension?
How about, if all is paid in full, he gets mad because the RB coach got on him for his work ethic, or something, and he says, "I'm paid more than you, what do you know?"

This is going to implode like crazy, eventually, but MU and the G5 need to not focus on that, as said, MU is never going to be at that level.
See what NIL looks like in the SBC and focus on that amount of funding.

Buddy's should have some free BBQ night for the linemen. A private landlord could buy up property and make a luxury housing complex for athletes. Loaner cars from Ditch Miller. Paid endorsements, etc.

As said, creativity in what MU and Huntington can offer, may go a long way.