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C-USA is Terrible
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Well, well, well. After (almost, two games to play, the results of neither being doubtful) one week gone, it seems CUSA is not so terrible after all. The teams playing step up games (FAU, LTU, MTSU) got beat as expected, the league was about .500 in even up games, and the teams playing cupcakes got what they paid for. With the exception of a known to be bad WKU and a surprising upset of FIU, everything was as expected. (And those who worship THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!! will have to explain to me why Tulane winning a game over a lowly CUSA team is such a big deal.) 8-6 on the weekend. Solid.
Meanwhile three from the vaunted AAC lost; as did five MACers, three from the MWC, and the Sun Belt won exactly one game versus I-A competition, albeit a big win. Among the self proclaimed big deals, the Big 2, Little 8 had three wins by a touchdown or less over I-AA cupcakes at home; the Big 10 lost two games to G5s; the Pac 12 lost to two G5s and its only real hope was boatraced by Auburn. Leaving the two really big conferences, the ACC, after Notre Dame makes short work of hapless Louisville, will finish with five non-conference losses and in the SEC, yes, the SEC, Ole Miss lost to an AAC team, USC lost to a team coached by a 97 year old; Mizzou lost to a MWC bottom feeder. And mighty Tennessee lost in its 105K seat stadium to a commuter school in its second decade of football who plays in an abandoned baseball park.
Yet, the CUSA haters, back on Friday morn, wanted to shut the lid on the season.
It's alive.
Go Herd.
Meanwhile three from the vaunted AAC lost; as did five MACers, three from the MWC, and the Sun Belt won exactly one game versus I-A competition, albeit a big win. Among the self proclaimed big deals, the Big 2, Little 8 had three wins by a touchdown or less over I-AA cupcakes at home; the Big 10 lost two games to G5s; the Pac 12 lost to two G5s and its only real hope was boatraced by Auburn. Leaving the two really big conferences, the ACC, after Notre Dame makes short work of hapless Louisville, will finish with five non-conference losses and in the SEC, yes, the SEC, Ole Miss lost to an AAC team, USC lost to a team coached by a 97 year old; Mizzou lost to a MWC bottom feeder. And mighty Tennessee lost in its 105K seat stadium to a commuter school in its second decade of football who plays in an abandoned baseball park.
Yet, the CUSA haters, back on Friday morn, wanted to shut the lid on the season.
It's alive.
Go Herd.
Big 10 lost to only one G5, Purdue to Nevada, unless you're now considering the Pac 12 as a G5 conference, since the other loss was Stanford defeating Northwestern.
With all eight wins coming against FCS opponents. Not a good look, especially with WKU losing to Central Arkansas and both ODU and UTEP barely winning over their own mediocre FCS opponents.
Those three losses were to Michigan State, Wisconsin and NC State, two of which were ranked to start the season. The three teams that lost were ECU (new coach, three straight 3-9 years), Tulsa (five wins in the last two years combined) and USF (lost last six games to end 2018), two of the worst teams in the conference and one in a steep decline. The conference also notched a pair of wins over P5 schools (Cincy over UCLA, Memphis over Ole Miss) along with two other wins over FBS opponents (Tulane over FIU, SMU over Arkansas State). That’s four more wins over FBS teams than C-USA had.
Facts are facts, whether you want to see that way or not (don’t worry, we all know you don’t). C-USA was the only conference to have a member lose to an FCS school and, unlike the other conferences, none of our teams managed to stay in contention against FBS competition with the exception of Rice (not surprising, had months to prep for triple option).
Is this a serious post? I’m not joking I honestly don’t know how you can be posting this in a serious manner. I hope that you are just trolling and you don’t really believe what you just wrote. You write a ton of posts that are head scratchers but if you ever want to know why people give you crap it’s posts like this.
Here is CUSA’s weekend broken down for you.
The team that many people expected to win our eastern division, FIU, got stomped by Tulane. Let that sink in a moment take away every other crappy thing that CUSA did this weekend and think about the fact that one of the favorites to win our conference got trucked by a team that is supposed to finish middle of the pack in the AAC. That one game shows you the crappiness of this conference even if you don’t add the rest.
WKU lost to a FCS school, in Central Arkansas that finished 6-5 last year. They are supposed to be better this year but they are not North Dakota or James Madison. A loss that Mark Snyder was never able to live down (and he shouldn’t have) was the FCS New Hampshire loss. WKU has now done it two years in a row. They lost to Maine last year.
Last years champ UAB barely beat and easily could have lost to a FCS team Alabama State that finished 4-7 last year and are predicted to do the same this year. Once again we aren’t talking North Dakota or James Madison we are talking about a horrible FCS team.
UTEP needed a closing minute FG to beat FCS Houston Baptist. Houston Baptist was 1-10 last year in FCS play. In their one FBS game last year they lost to perennial powerhouse SMU 63-27.
ODU beat FCS Norfolk State by a FG. Norfolk State who went 4-7 in 2018 and are predicted a similar record this year.
Rice was respectable in their loss to Army. They were supposed to get stomped but played well and only lost 14-7. But honestly when you have a moral victory over Army what does that say about you as a program.
Us, Southern Miss, Charlotte, North Texas and UTSA did what we were supposed to do in games against FCS competition. I think Marshall looked the most dominant against lesser competition this weekend. We were never in jeopardy and we could have scored in the 70s if we wanted to which is what you should do against crappy competition.
Our teams that played P5 competition all got crushed. MTSU at least gave Michigan a game for a few quarters but ended up losing badly. 2 of our better programs in FAU and La Tech got crushed by OSU and Texas. FAU was down 28-0 in the first quarter.
So where in any of the above mess do you get that CUSA isn’t the crap show that we have been talking about.
Against FBS competition CUSA finished 0-5, including losses to 2 fellow G5 schools.
I just never will understand our fans setting around early in the year already making sure that even if we have a really good year, it doesn’t matter becAuse CUSA sucks....but somehow the MAC of the late 90’s didn’t suck?
Oh well. Carry on I guess. Everyone is allowed their opinions!
Go Herd!!!
Oh well. Carry on I guess. Everyone is allowed their opinions!
Go Herd!!!
There are like 5 people who think CUSA is tough or good in football. SamC, Mike H, Doc, and 2 other guys on this forum.
Oh, and the MWC had 4 wins over P5 opponents this weekend.
I sit through 20 yrs of losing but loved rooting for the herd. The herd rewarded me with 2 national titles and the ashes to glory story Was played out right in front of me. But being an older fan I have been treated pretty bad by younger herd fans. Usually those fans who never sat in Fairfield Stadium. Same ones who expect 35000 a game yet the population of this area has really dropped. I love getting on herd nation but it has caused me to realize all the time and money I spent watching herd football all the double shifts to get off on saturday's, the years of not missing a home game means very little to some fans. Our fan's are far from United but still going to herd games is one of my favorite things to do. Aaron Perkin's might have more fun at herd games than me but he has a family that loves the Herd as much as he does. I had my father who loved the Herd and was like Aaron always being positive. But he was murdered after a union meeting at General Dynamics in 88. Dad was a union Stewart.He had bragged how the Herd would win a national title. Oh what a hard pill to swallow knowing all that he missed.
They let us back in once. I can't imagine that happening again
You've just summed up the entire argument with this statement. The MAC was weak, but we were a team that no sooner made the leap to 1-A football and already dominating the conference, Heisman candidates, top 25 rankings, conference championships, etc. I don't recall too many complaining about anything, because we were winning.
This is why fans are disappointed. Dominate our crappy conference, along with the end of year bowl game. We jokingly referred to the MAC as the Marshall American Conference, because the title pretty much had a permanent home with us. We sure as hell can't say that about CUSA when we have only managed one title in a decade. Sure, there will still be some who still complain, but the vast majority will not.
The false
That is it. In the I-AA and MAC eras, the petty jealous Spamites were the only people who cared about that stuff. Today, the anti-Doc crew has convinced itself that nothing MU does is really good enough, and that we have all these "advantages" over the rest of the league, none of which they can actually list when called on to do so.
That is it. In the I-AA and MAC eras, the petty jealous Spamites were the only people who cared about that stuff. Today, the anti-Doc crew has convinced itself that nothing MU does is really good enough, and that we have all these "advantages" over the rest of the league, none of which they can actually list when called on to do so.
Not only does Sam fail to acknowledge the many posts that point out how ridiculous his arguments were, but he also trotted out his obsession with WVU.
Then you can please list the vaunted "advantages" MU has over all the other CUSA teams.
List please.
Rifle has done this for you in great detail, and I believe on more than one occasion.
You just simply choose to keep ignoring the proof that has been provided.
Taking many non qualifiers is a huge advantage and the reason we usually have the top recruiting class each year. We have better fan/market support. We have better facilities. We have as much, or more, tradition and name recognition.
Then you can provide a link to that, right?
Fact is we have as good a infastructure/facilities as anybody, even the lower half of the P5, and that is it.
The perverse idea that we have "underachieved" is super-fandom turned rotten. MU is "supposed" to win, because it is, umm, umm, umm, supposed to. Because of all the unlisted "advantages" (nice try on the "low academic standards one, can I interest you in a WKU, Appy State, or Ball St? ). Fact is no one can list any real reason why we are "supposed" to win all the time.
Why? You are a delusional dickhead who just keeps on beating the same horse over and over. You don't listen or acknowledge when proven wrong. I would rather do something more useful, like play a round of paper toss on my old 2nd generation iPod Touch.
This is the stuff we're trying to avoid.
Disagree all you want, but leave the nonsense out of it.
So...leave out "delusional" next time?
Thanks Josh. I've been called worse.
Fact is, when called out for all of these "advantages" that MU has no one can list any, other than the ones I and everyone else knows (solid facilities, upper third among G5 fan bases, nothing else). So we resort to name-calling. It is far easier than admitting that no such list can be made and one's delusion that we are "supposed" to win because we are supposed to is childish. A childish circular argument with nothing to back it up. Superfandom turned inward and rotten.
People say I'm fixated on the Spamites, but really, if they stay off my boards, I don't care. I have a lot of Spamite friends, and I'm going to use this analogy. I have this friend, nice guy. Spamite (non-alumni type). He is convinced that this Brown character is going to replace Saban. He looked me dead in the face and said "well, he will be super successful at WVU, after all, it is WVU, and there you go." Same delusional "we are better than the average" idea, but at least turned positive, rather than our sad fanbase, convinced we should win all the time, because, well, we should win all the time. Childish.
Fact is, when called out for all of these "advantages" that MU has no one can list any, other than the ones I and everyone else knows (solid facilities, upper third among G5 fan bases, nothing else). So we resort to name-calling. It is far easier than admitting that no such list can be made and one's delusion that we are "supposed" to win because we are supposed to is childish. A childish circular argument with nothing to back it up. Superfandom turned inward and rotten.
People say I'm fixated on the Spamites, but really, if they stay off my boards, I don't care. I have a lot of Spamite friends, and I'm going to use this analogy. I have this friend, nice guy. Spamite (non-alumni type). He is convinced that this Brown character is going to replace Saban. He looked me dead in the face and said "well, he will be super successful at WVU, after all, it is WVU, and there you go." Same delusional "we are better than the average" idea, but at least turned positive, rather than our sad fanbase, convinced we should win all the time, because, well, we should win all the time. Childish.
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Sam why do you keep ignoring what people say to you. You ask for advantages and you ignore all but 2 of them.
We have better or equal facilities to anyone in CUSA.
We have a better fan base than almost everybody in CUSA.
We have 10 times more tradition in modern era football than anybody in CUSA with the exception of maybe Southern Miss.
We take far more props than most schools that are eligible to take props which allows us to get players we may not normally be able to get which is a huge advantage.
We have been either number 1 or 2 in recruiting since Doc has been at Marshall in CUSA so obviously kids see advantages that we have at Marshall.
The one disadvantage we supposedly have is our location but as I have shown it hasn't hurt our recruiting in relationship to our fellow CUSA members.
The conference we play in since the reorganization has been consistently ranked as the worst or next to worst FBS conference. That’s definitely an advantage for us. Because I don’t consider us a poor team and we get the advantage of playing poor teams almost weekly.
Lastly when we played in the MAC it was as bad as the current CUSA but in 8 years of playing in this bad conference we won the East division 6 times, and the overall MAC championship 5 times. So 6 out of the 8 years in this bad conference we played in the championship game 6 times winning 5. But we can’t have an expectation that we win this version of CUSA more than once in 9 years?
We have better or equal facilities to anyone in CUSA.
We have a better fan base than almost everybody in CUSA.
We have 10 times more tradition in modern era football than anybody in CUSA with the exception of maybe Southern Miss.
We take far more props than most schools that are eligible to take props which allows us to get players we may not normally be able to get which is a huge advantage.
We have been either number 1 or 2 in recruiting since Doc has been at Marshall in CUSA so obviously kids see advantages that we have at Marshall.
The one disadvantage we supposedly have is our location but as I have shown it hasn't hurt our recruiting in relationship to our fellow CUSA members.
The conference we play in since the reorganization has been consistently ranked as the worst or next to worst FBS conference. That’s definitely an advantage for us. Because I don’t consider us a poor team and we get the advantage of playing poor teams almost weekly.
Lastly when we played in the MAC it was as bad as the current CUSA but in 8 years of playing in this bad conference we won the East division 6 times, and the overall MAC championship 5 times. So 6 out of the 8 years in this bad conference we played in the championship game 6 times winning 5. But we can’t have an expectation that we win this version of CUSA more than once in 9 years?
Previously stated.
Previously stated.
Superfanism. First, kids today do not care what Bobby Pruett did when BEFORE THEY WERE BORN. But anyway, we were not even in this Division until 1997. What tradition?
First, every team in the conference has the same prop rules. The fact that we do things within the rule is no advantage. Second, anybody who thinks ANY SCHOOL in ANY CONFERENCE does not cover kids with fake majors and cupcake classes has not been paying attention for the last 30 years.
So, you are saying Doc is an advantage?
Do what? That is just restating superfanism.
Fact is no one can list any real "advantages" save adequate facilities and a good fanbase. Because there are none. MU is supposed to win, because, umm, umm, umm, we are supposed to win.
So in reality, Sammy, what you really want is to show off your superior intelligence by baiting fellow Marshall fans into falling into your "list" trap. Then, you pontificate your acumen in all things by giving your opinion to refute each item listed, so that we're all supposed to bow down to the great & powerful Swami named Sammy and build you a statue that is bigger than the Buffalos outside the IPF forever etching your name into the history books as the greatest bi-polar fan in the 184 year history of the school? You know, the one that worships Doc and the football team but will NEVER give Danny and Co. the credit they deserve and will achieve going forward? F that. You get an opinion on here and that's as far as it goes..... name calling is sometimes a hard impulse to resist...
WS said it best you are ridiculous. You have a set opinion that no matter how many facts are given you, you choose to ignore it. So keep on being “I’m super realist fan” and I know everything.
And FYI I’m not crazy about Docs game day coaching but yes he’s a definite advantage as a recruiter, no doubt about it. He has recruited some great players to Marshall as well as other places he’s been. To argue otherwise would be silly.
Nice attempt at yet another basketball hijack. This is what, you 15th since July?
As to football, it is not a "trap". Just simply pointing out the idea that MU is "supposed" to win automatically is just so much childish ho-ha. Fact is nobody can list any reason why anybody outside the MU family should consider MU any different from the rest of the upper half of CUSA.
It is not my ego, it is just reality.
As to basketball, since you want to hijack, yet again. Same response. MU has a nice fan base and adequate facilities. Nothing more.
As to football, it is not a "trap". Just simply pointing out the idea that MU is "supposed" to win automatically is just so much childish ho-ha. Fact is nobody can list any reason why anybody outside the MU family should consider MU any different from the rest of the upper half of CUSA.
It is not my ego, it is just reality.
As to basketball, since you want to hijack, yet again. Same response. MU has a nice fan base and adequate facilities. Nothing more.
Then list those "advantages" please.
You cannot, because none exist, so you name call. Name calling is the last refuge of those who have lost an argument. You have nothing to say, beyond the childish idea that MU should win all the time, because, MU should win all the time. It is different from any other upper half CUSA school because it is.
You cannot, because none exist, so you name call. Name calling is the last refuge of those who have lost an argument. You have nothing to say, beyond the childish idea that MU should win all the time, because, MU should win all the time. It is different from any other upper half CUSA school because it is.
You pay no attention to anything. You have been given solid reasons of why people think Marshall should be winning CUSA more than they are now but they don’t meet your definition of advantage. So now other than being the most realistic fan you are also the person that gets to decide what an advantage is.
Nobody other than one person on this thread called you a name so stop the drama.
Also please stop your straw man arguments. If I were to call you a name it would be scarecrow because you drop so much straw.
Nobody on here not even the biggest critics of Doc have ever said we should win all the time or win every game. Nobody! Just because you repeat it ad nauseous doesn’t make it true.
But some of us do expect in a conference that is as poor as CUSA is and make no mistake it sucks. If it makes you feel better so does the MAC and so does the Sun Belt. We should be able to win the conference on a regular basis. If we were in the MAC or Sun Belt we would expect to win those more than once in 9 years as well.
Nobody other than one person on this thread called you a name so stop the drama.
Also please stop your straw man arguments. If I were to call you a name it would be scarecrow because you drop so much straw.
Nobody on here not even the biggest critics of Doc have ever said we should win all the time or win every game. Nobody! Just because you repeat it ad nauseous doesn’t make it true.
But some of us do expect in a conference that is as poor as CUSA is and make no mistake it sucks. If it makes you feel better so does the MAC and so does the Sun Belt. We should be able to win the conference on a regular basis. If we were in the MAC or Sun Belt we would expect to win those more than once in 9 years as well.
Dude, save your breath. No one on here takes Samantha seriously.
Sam's approach to anyone who doesn't pay homage to Caesar:
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……...either that or he wants to be your therapist, suggesting that unless you share his views, you might want to follow a different team, or sport, or planet.....
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……...either that or he wants to be your therapist, suggesting that unless you share his views, you might want to follow a different team, or sport, or planet.....
Not only does Sam fail to acknowledge the many posts that point out how ridiculous his arguments were, but he also trotted out his obsession with WVU.
So says the Nation of Domination (incluing Dee Lo Brown, "Sexual Chocolate" Mark Henry, and Florida State HOFer Ron Simmons).
Well Sam, list all the advantages WKU had that has allowed them to win 2 championships since they joined in 2014. That's more championships than we have won in 14 years in the conference. Heck, they even beat our best team that won the championship, as a double digit road dog.
The answer is ... none. (Other than WKU is a corrupt program that cheated, but let that pass) MU and WKU and the rest of the upper half of CUSA are all about the same. There is no "special" about WKU. Nor MTSU, not UNT, not LTU, nor USM. Nor MU. Just mid-major colleges trying to compete at the same level.
The childish idea that MU is somehow "better automatically" is superfandom turned rotten. Because no one can answer the basic question of exactly why MU is somehow advantaged, and no one is man enough to just admit they were wrong, the name calling, including the 4th grade comeback of "you are a girl" has started.
Game. Set. Match.
The childish idea that MU is somehow "better automatically" is superfandom turned rotten. Because no one can answer the basic question of exactly why MU is somehow advantaged, and no one is man enough to just admit they were wrong, the name calling, including the 4th grade comeback of "you are a girl" has started.
Game. Set. Match.
