Gun Control
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extragreen,
What type of gun(s) do you think I should be able to own. Or, you should be able to own?
What type of gun(s) do you think I should be able to own. Or, you should be able to own?
2013 was a banner year for gun sales, with a record 21,093,273 background checks for gun purchases completed. And with all those new guns in circulation, the FBI reports that murders and robberies have decreased.
On November 10, the FBI released a report showing “violent crimes in 2013 decreased 4.4 percent when compared with 2012 figures, and the estimated number of property crimes decreased 4.1 percent.” That slide continued in 2014, albeit at a lesser pace in come categories.
For example, at the beginning of this week, the FBI released numbers showing that murder fell by 0.5 percent compared to 2013, which is “a 3.2 percent decrease from the 2010 figure, and a 14.9 percent drop from the number in 2005.” Moreover, robberies “decreased 5.6 percent from the 2013 estimate and 11.7 percent from the 2010 estimate.” The figures for 2014 represent a “22.0 percent [decrease] from the 2005 estimate.”
Again, these decreases follow a year in which the number of background checks conducted for gun purchases broke records. Moreover, the decreases in murder and robbery took place in a year in which gun sales continued to be so brisk that a background check was conducted almost every three seconds on Black Friday. CNN reported that the “average of almost three [background checks] per second [was] nearly three times the daily average” seen throughout the rest of the 2014.
On April 8, 2015, the Washington Times reported that the 2013 surge in gun sales forced manufacturers to make “10.8 million” weapons that year, just to meet demand. That is nearly twice as many guns as manufacturers made in 2010. Yet 2014 figures show murder has fallen 3.2 percent since 2010 and robberies are down 11.7 since 2010 as well.
Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter: @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.
On November 10, the FBI released a report showing “violent crimes in 2013 decreased 4.4 percent when compared with 2012 figures, and the estimated number of property crimes decreased 4.1 percent.” That slide continued in 2014, albeit at a lesser pace in come categories.
For example, at the beginning of this week, the FBI released numbers showing that murder fell by 0.5 percent compared to 2013, which is “a 3.2 percent decrease from the 2010 figure, and a 14.9 percent drop from the number in 2005.” Moreover, robberies “decreased 5.6 percent from the 2013 estimate and 11.7 percent from the 2010 estimate.” The figures for 2014 represent a “22.0 percent [decrease] from the 2005 estimate.”
Again, these decreases follow a year in which the number of background checks conducted for gun purchases broke records. Moreover, the decreases in murder and robbery took place in a year in which gun sales continued to be so brisk that a background check was conducted almost every three seconds on Black Friday. CNN reported that the “average of almost three [background checks] per second [was] nearly three times the daily average” seen throughout the rest of the 2014.
On April 8, 2015, the Washington Times reported that the 2013 surge in gun sales forced manufacturers to make “10.8 million” weapons that year, just to meet demand. That is nearly twice as many guns as manufacturers made in 2010. Yet 2014 figures show murder has fallen 3.2 percent since 2010 and robberies are down 11.7 since 2010 as well.
Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter: @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.
Haven't given it a whole lot of thought, and I'm not a gun enthusiast so I don't know much about different types of guns. I think I'm more interested in closing the gun show loop hole, background checks every time, even individual sales, and I mostly want the number of rounds in clips lowered to maybe 7 and make the clips take longer to take out and put back in the gun.
That is an intellectually dishonest position. If liberals could take away all firearms without fear of insurrection, they would do it in a heartbeat. Look at the article that started this thread. Don't be ignorant/naive.
You cant just go out and buy Fully Automatic weapons. I dont know why people think that you can.... (Oh wait yeah I do, the media tries to make people think there is an automatic weapon problem or even a gun problem )
If someone comes in my home, I have a Springfield XD .45 waiting. I don't need 100 rounds or an automatic. I bought stopping power for one reason and one reason only.
I believe we have an obligation and right to arms but I also understand that there is not a reasonable and viable need for high load magazines. I support tighter restrictions.
As geaux said, you can't just go buy an automatic weapon so it's a non-issue.
I don't think any politician of merit has ever attempted to "take" anyone's guns. That's just conjecture and innuendo.
I believe we have an obligation and right to arms but I also understand that there is not a reasonable and viable need for high load magazines. I support tighter restrictions.
As geaux said, you can't just go buy an automatic weapon so it's a non-issue.
I don't think any politician of merit has ever attempted to "take" anyone's guns. That's just conjecture and innuendo.
If you can't but fully automatic weapons how are AK 47s and SKs, M16s, and Ar15 out on the streets. There was a shooting on LI recently where a military grade automatic rifle was used in a murder.
Many liberals would want to ban/take your Springfield as it is a semi automatic pistol.
Are you serious? How are they on the streets? They are sold and modified illegally. Damn.
Heroine is illegal but it is on the streets.
No, you're being intellectually dishonest. If I was being intellectually dishonest, I would say if conservatives had their way they would all buy guns, chew tobacco, and make stuff up. Wait...
Honestly the same way the government floods the streets with drugs, they flood the streets with illegal firearms
"Many liberals" and those running for political office are two separate things. I've not seen a politician; particularly Obama, attempt to take my type gun or even attempt to regulate it beyond background checks.
Ok then explain where they come from. I don't know any black gun manufacturers or black drug cartels or black drug processors
Trying to have an intelligent discussion regarding gun control and Fever veers into Fake Moon Landing Land.
Here are my thoughts:
1) All firearms should be registered
2) All gun owners should be licensed and have completed a gun ownership course.
3) Ban Assault Rifles.
4) Limit magazines
5) No online ammunition sales
6) Background checks on ALL gun sales......No more Gun Show sales.
7) Background checks should include a mental health screening
8) Individual to Individual sales should be reported and registered (Per #1).
In America you have the right to hunt, protect your home & family, and even recreationally target shoot but no one has the right to infringe on my families safety at the mall, movie theater, or school.
Here are my thoughts:
1) All firearms should be registered
2) All gun owners should be licensed and have completed a gun ownership course.
3) Ban Assault Rifles.
4) Limit magazines
5) No online ammunition sales
6) Background checks on ALL gun sales......No more Gun Show sales.
7) Background checks should include a mental health screening
8) Individual to Individual sales should be reported and registered (Per #1).
In America you have the right to hunt, protect your home & family, and even recreationally target shoot but no one has the right to infringe on my families safety at the mall, movie theater, or school.
1.) First step towards gun grabbing
2.) any gun owner worth their weight already takes a training/safety class
3.) who defines what an assault rifle is?
4.) limit to how much
5.) I'm indifferent about online ammo sales
6.) Ive had background checks run on me at gun shows
7.) what mental disorders would disqualify a person from owning a gun
8). There is no way to do this
Fever seems confused in thinking that all "assault rifles" are full auto...
AK clones and AR's are legally available in most states. they are semi-automatic (must pull trigger for each shot). you can purchase one from $400 up. fully automatic "machine guns" are legal to own in 37 states. you must pay a $200 tax and pass a BATF background check that typically takes 120-180 days. you can expect to pay around $10,000 for a small (MAC 10) and over $20,000 for AR15 style rifles.
-there are 450,000 registered "machine guns" in the US. aprox half are owned by civilians, the other half by police departments and other government agencies
-since 1934 there have been TWO homicides committed with legally owned "machine guns"
-since 1980 four police officers have been killed with illegally owned "machine guns"
more food for thought:
"The FBI also reports “murder and non-negligent manslaughter” has fallen from 23,760 in 1992 to 14,612 in 2011 – a 39% decline."
we are in the middle of the "information age". we know within minutes what time a celebrity farted and how it smelled. the media blitzes us with this stuff non stop. every year for the past 5 years gun sales have broken the previous record. murders and violent crime rates have also dropped. those facts don't sell commercials...
AK clones and AR's are legally available in most states. they are semi-automatic (must pull trigger for each shot). you can purchase one from $400 up. fully automatic "machine guns" are legal to own in 37 states. you must pay a $200 tax and pass a BATF background check that typically takes 120-180 days. you can expect to pay around $10,000 for a small (MAC 10) and over $20,000 for AR15 style rifles.
-there are 450,000 registered "machine guns" in the US. aprox half are owned by civilians, the other half by police departments and other government agencies
-since 1934 there have been TWO homicides committed with legally owned "machine guns"
-since 1980 four police officers have been killed with illegally owned "machine guns"
more food for thought:
"The FBI also reports “murder and non-negligent manslaughter” has fallen from 23,760 in 1992 to 14,612 in 2011 – a 39% decline."
we are in the middle of the "information age". we know within minutes what time a celebrity farted and how it smelled. the media blitzes us with this stuff non stop. every year for the past 5 years gun sales have broken the previous record. murders and violent crime rates have also dropped. those facts don't sell commercials...
and any licensed firearm dealer selling at a gun show is REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW to run a background check regardless of the state. i have purchased and completed them on the spot...
Don't confuse them with facts. They are gun grabbers. They would take them all if they could and they would let their politicians do so.
But 1/4 to 1/2 of dealers at guns shows are not licensed. That is part of the problem.
so you think adding more laws and restrictions to combat those currently breaking the law will entice them to come clean and start following new laws?
we should make meth illegal too. it would dramatically clean up the tri-state and coal fields...
The unlicensed gun dealers at gun shows are not...breaking...the...law. Unlicensed, private sellers are not required to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sales.
I actually agree with this. We need to close loopholes for vendors selling their "private collections." The only way I can think of to do it would be to require all firearms vendors to have their FFL in order to sell at shows.
In other words, if you're carrying around 10+ guns and other firearms-related items that you intend to sell to a gunshow, you're a firearms dealer, NOT a "collector."
1. Strongly disagree. Not economically feasible to create a nationwide firearms ownership database, nor is it necessary. Also, there is no way to enforce registration of firearms already in gun owner's hands.
2. Have no problem with this. Too many idiots with guns that have no idea how to use them.
3. Why? Does nothing to stem firearms violence and equates to nothing more than lip-service/pandering to the anti-gun lobby.
4. Same.
5. I'm ok with this proposal.
6. Again, I agree with closing the non FFL loopholes that currently exist.
7. People that have been adjudicated mentally deficient are already precluded from purchasing firearms. The question is "how do we enforce this"? The only way I can see is to create a nationwide database similar to NCIC that flags any and all mental health adjudications the same way we do convicted felons and misdemeanor domestic violence offenses.
8. Not even remotely feasible or enforceable, although it would certainly limit the ability of prohibited persons to obtain firearms in an ideal world.
Stronger punishments for firearms-related offenses currently on the books would also be nice, as well as making firearms offenses predicate crimes for RICO and other similar statutes, which the NRA lobby has fought for years. Finally, penalties should be the same for FFLs as they are for private individuals as it relates to gun sales. Believe it or not, there are some firearms distribution offenses that carry LESS time for FFLs than they do for private individuals engaged in the same criminal conduct - which is completely unacceptable.
Gun laws can be tougher without infringing on gun rights. It will reduce these mass killings. You would agree with that if YOUR child was killed with a gun.
Federal law prohibits private individuals from selling a firearm to a resident of another state, or to someone they know, or have reason to believe, is prohibited from owning a firearm. As of September 2015, 18 states and Washington, D.C. do require background checks for private firearm sales. Federal law also requires any person making their "primary source of income" selling firearms to obtain a FFL.
again, the majority of private gun sales at gun shows without a background check are breaking current Federal law. why are we to assume those currently breaking laws will stop with new/more laws? do you think all the gang bangers in Chicago are going out of state to gun shows and purchasing their weapons? or are they buying them on the street corner...illegally.....
For the record, I think the gun show "loophole" should be closed and no person should be able to purchase a weapon without a background check.
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If 18 of 50 states require background checks by unlicensed dealers, how can the majority of unlicensed dealers be breaking the law.
Because they hold themselves out as selling their "private collections" instead of distribution firearms as a business/profession. Hence the "gunshot loophole" we've been discussing
