Disarming would surprise me. I think Ukraine knows that would just set up part 3 here in about 5 years. Russia “getting” Crimea wouldn’t surprise me, since they’ve had it for a while anyway. An agreement not to join NATO may be seen as a bit of a positive for NATO since it was always going to be an escalator with Russia and now they don’t have to figure out what all Ukraine needs to fix before they could join.
Russia getting everything they set out to get has never been in doubt, despite the propaganda from western media and governments. They’ve always had the upper hand, have all the leverage.
Throw in more territory the Russians have taken and the fact millions of Ukranians have left through migration, their cities are in ruin, and if they disarm somewhat then Russia is clearly a winner and got most of what they wanted. Assuming these reports come to fruition.
I agree that disarming would be a huge win for Russia. And what territory goes where remains to be seen. The rest of it is more just loss for Ukraine than Russia gaining anything.
Most of those people will return unless the settlement is especially dire. And it’s not a zero sum game. Russia has lost a lot too. Double our Iraq death toll, at least.
Yes, but you have to understand the Russian philosophy. The have lost less that Ukraine. They accept losses different than we do. If they gain territory, weaken Ukraine, then Putin got what he wanted for the most part, maybe other than replacing their govt.
Maybe. Ukraine could cost Russia big time if they start to fight back in areas Russia has taken control. Inflicting heavy damages on the Russians, would be very costy to Putin and Russia. But, they are going to need help to do it. How willing is Russia to continue to stay in Ukraine and slug it out? How much more can the Ukrainian people take? Lots of questions to be answered.
You could very well be right on that. The west is going to push Ukraine to do what’s best for the west (especially in the short term), not what’s best for Ukraine. And the west has incredible leverage. Stop sending money/weapons and Ukraine is pretty screwed.
I'm pretty sure that looking incompetent was not in the plans of the Russian philosophy.
The White House sure does have to walk back a boatload of his comments
Whatever is going on with this administration’s messaging, whether it’s dementia or issues limiting clear communication, this is absolutely the wrong time to have the repeated missteps they’re having.
Look at that idiot^^^^
What?? You idiots have been saying Biden should have done more and done it sooner. Now it's become 'lets be careful and don't rile the insane Russian tyrant."
Yeah, but you're an idiot.
Why take a wait and see approach now, when you'd have taken out tanks on Day1? Lying idiot.
Doubling down on your stupid delusion. What you're referencing didn't happen.
