Then, why do Christians oppose many forms of stem-cell research and in-vitro?
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Then, why do Christians oppose many forms of stem-cell research and in-vitro?
I got news for you. Sunday worshiping Christians are just as much Christian as Saturday worshiping Christians.
I got news for you
We arent the same. Our teachings dont come from Pagans and the Catholic Church
So, are you saying you, as a Christian, support all forms of stem-cell and in-vitro?
Hey, @Brushy Bill . You have posted plenty of times since I showed you the quote you denied. Now, are you going to support this outlandish claim or will you keep hiding like the coward that you are?
Yep, exactly. You lied in your claim. When called out on it, you lied and said you didn’t say what I attributed to you. I posted the actual quote to prove you wrong you hid.
Weeks later, I asked you again about it. You ice again lied and claimed to have not made the statement. Now that I’ve posted it again, you won’t defend it.
You’re a coward and a liar . . . and a pretty stupid one at that.
Have you had a CAT scan lately? CTE could explain your hostility and inability to understand simple concepts.
Ah, the old law. God's mulligan.
So god goes silent for 400 years after writing the old laws. Of course, according to religious folk, that's just a "blink of an eye" to the omniscient creator of the universe. So he's busy golfing or hanging out at strip clubs or whatever and is like "oh shit, those old laws aren't working, even though I can see the future and should have known better. I better write some new laws." So what's keeping him from writing even newer laws? If he can go 400 years between edits, why not 2000?
Yeah, it's kinda like college being a mulligan for the first 12 years of schooling.
The old law did precisely what it was meant to do.
Just like the New Covenant will do what it's intended to do. And then...
the end of time and the judgement. You big brave boys are going to be shown to be cowards when you stand crying and begging for mercy, but mercy will have ended for you.
Then, explain your quote. There is no ambiguity in what you wrote. It is very clear. You should easily be able to show those multiple celebrities.
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That has been threatened to humanity for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Still, nothing.
Now, at some point in the time humans inhabit this planet, there will be a huge catastrophe: ginormous meteor, plague, massive tsunami causing earthquakes, nukes, etc. Tens of millions of people (if not more) will be lost. At that point, your kind will claim it is your god coming back and having judgement day. But that is the ol' catch-22 with your kind. Common sense can predict those things to eventually happen.
Hawking said it best: "We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the universe. That makes us something very special."
And it will come to pass. No, it won't be some kind of natural disaster. Everyone will know what's going on, it will be a quick work, and there won't be anyone left afterwards to discuss it.
So God was just asleep at the wheel during the Holocaust? Did God put Hitler in power? Some Christians believe God puts all men in power. Hell, the Holocaust only claimed about 13 million people.
What about the Black Plague? That wiped out between 100 and 200 million people. God is a pretty shitty God to sit by and not intervene when as many as 200 million people died, including innocent little children.
Pfffft. That's nothing. Their god has condemned more than 90% of everyone who has EVER lived on earth to an eternity of hell. None of them can agree on anything. Look at greed and Fever arguing about whose interpretation of their mythology is the correct version. All they know is they are certain they are going to heaven, their version is the correct version and everyone else has it wrong and is damned to hell.
Yeah, and I could make a similar argument that God ain't doing it right because none of us will live 500 years, or somebody has a better job, or he didn't intervene and help my sports team win the big game. God never promised life would be fair, or easy. He promised that if you accepted his Son as savior and lived according to his gospel, you could escape hell and live eternally in Heaven.
That's a flat out lie, which is common from you. Anyone that goes to hell goes there by their own decision. You included.
A couple hundred million people dying, including children, is like our favorite sports team losing. Pfft.
Have you ever wondered why God doesn’t work “miracles” or “signs and wonders” in this day and age? Think about the technology that exists today. We now have the ability to communicate all around the world almost instantly. So if something miraculous did actually happen, practically the entire world would know about it in a very short period of time. No parting of the sea. No turning water into wine. No making a staff or rod become a serpent. No talking burning bushes. No three Hebrews dancing in a fire and surviving.
You don't believe in the miracles and signs that are in the Old Testament, so you wouldn't believe them now. If you don't believe the gospel, you're doomed. The signs and miracles have been replaced by a thing called faith. It comes by hearing the word of God, believing it, and committing to Christ. Saw 6 of those type miracles this past week.
Country you raise the question of Theodicy. It is a legitimate concern and to try to answer it in this forum will be a challenge. Hope this helps.
But do evil and suffering really mean that God does not exist? On what basis is something deemed evil? If there is some moral standard you are basing your position on, if so then the problem of evil becomes an argument for not against the reality of God. After all, in order to call something good or evil, there must be an underlying standard of right and wrong.
Moral evil is explained by the fact that human beings commit evil against one another. People lie, cheat, steal, hurt, and more. This does not argue against Christianity, but instead proves the point that there is something very wrong with human nature as it now is.
What if God created a world where people could not choose? God could force everyone to stop before they were able to carry out evil behavior. But is such a world where freedom does not exist good?
Victor Frankl a Jewish Psychiatrist who spent 3 years in a Nazi concentration camp observed how people coped with the horrors of suffering and evil perpetrated upon them by the Germans. He reflected that the difference between those who endured and those who didn’t came down to meaning. To live for happiness means we are trying to get something out of life. However when suffering and evil occur then it takes away ones happiness or reason for living. He suggested that we live for meaning. We should try to give not take.
Philosopher William Alston gets at it this way: Suppose that some of the very best scientists in the world come up with a new theory about quantum physics. Suppose I, as a non-physicist, look at their theory and say, “Because I cannot figure it out, they must be wrong.” It’s possible they might be wrong, but I have no real basis for knowing.
Alston’s point is simply this: We are not in a position to assume that if an infinite God has reasons for allowing evil, then we as finite and fallible beings should be able to figure them out. And because we cannot assume this, any argument which does has not proved anything at all.
Romans 11:33 Oh the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
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Please don't take offense to this, it is offered for debate purposes only and is not intended to criticize your faith. I offer it simply as my rationale for my beliefs. I don't feel the need to "attack" those who believe. I would like for us to live in a world where "non-believers" simply let the "believers" live according to their faith and not force it on someone else and vice versa. Very similar to the First Amendment, which reads in part "Congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor preventing the free exercise thereof..."
With all that said, I simply cannot believe in an "all knowing," "perfect" God creating beings whom he loves but allowing them to be wiped out on a massive scale by some plague. I certainly understand on a smaller scale, individuals die because of poor choices, stupidity, etc. Most things can be traced to man's choices. People choose to put corrupt leaders in charge, not God. I have studied the Bible and find many contradictions in it and many things that simply defy science. I believe in science and one cannot defy the laws of science. You can't make gravity on earth cease to exist.
Whats funny is it took some Africans to teach the Europeans about Hygiene and the plague quickly went away. And how did the Europeans thanked them? When to war with them, stole and erased their history, inventions, religion, then used them to find all the other black lands around the world starting with Columbus voyage to the Americans where he found Millions of black people.
FYI God has always brought destruction to those who live sinful lives and dont follow his commands.
Still hiding from my question, coward? Can you not find the answer on Google? Should you contact your preacher?
That's a very respectful post.
If you don't have children already, then please follow your own logic and don't have any, because if you do, you'll be doing the same thing that "unjust" God did. If you bring children into the world, you will be doing so with the full knowledge that they may suffer and die from lightning or an awful disease.
You found zero contradictions in the Bible.
There are many things than defy science. It can't create a living being. It can't cure all diseases. It can't stop oncoming death. It has no answer as to how life originated. It can't create a thought, intention, emotion, or purpose. Without a belief in intelligent design, science is left with no foundation for a cause of life. It is left with a molecular miracle of self organization and yet no clue as to what gave that molecular miracle it's animation.
Yet today the Democratic Republic of Congo leads the world in cases of plague.
Well when you allow your people to be the Human test dummies for Pharmaceutical companies, well this happens. Plus their former dictator is all about population control, so I doubt he cared much.
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Fair enough, maybe we can talk about this or other issues more in the future.
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