Religion: ain't it grand
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I know exactly what Christ was referring to. I have NEVER referred to "Wealth" as a purely monetary meaning in any discussion. Your own biases, prejudices and judgments of someone else's bank account have misguided you in this discussion (as usual). Personally I believe "wealth" is more than a monetary amount in a bank account. "Wealth" in one's life is an all encompassing life experience of Mind, Body and Spirit. Without balance in all three areas, money means nothing. (This is what I believe many teachings of the Bible were originally built around....only to be hijacked by an organized church throughout the centuries)
A janitor can have a wealthy life without being worldly rich, just the same as a rich cabinet maker can have a poor worldly existence. Its always the "poor" man that seems to stand in judgment on the state of another's wallet when the actual context of a "wealthy" discussion has little to do with $$$$$ specifically. All the years I've participated on this board, you have clearly stood in judgment on such manners. You continue to do it in this thread. You earned the name "XGREED" long before I posted here. I find that just as telling as any Bible verse you post. Here is something I learned years ago. "Rich" measures the state of a man's wallet. "Poor" measures the state of a man's mind. "Wealth" measures the state of a man's life.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not
"Rich measures the state of a man's wallet."
________raleighherdfan
"12 ultra rich dudes."
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23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Joel Osteen approximate net worth....50 million.
I don't stand in judgement of rich people, God does.
________raleighherdfan
"12 ultra rich dudes."
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23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Joel Osteen approximate net worth....50 million.
I don't stand in judgement of rich people, God does.
Yet I can listen to him talk without screaming "SNOB" at the TV and scowling the whole time.
With a TV lineup full of vitriolic garbage, he's a very refreshing change of pace.
There you go again with your self righteousness GREED. You've also proven you can repost a couple lines out of a weeks worth of conversation that fails to contradict anything I've ever said on the topic. Paul wasn't poor. Fisherman of that era were not poor. Tax collecting (Mathew) was not a poor endeavor (a govt job you would be proud of). You were either truly poor or rich in those times.
As I read this new verse you've shared, I don't see Jesus saying that a rich man "CANT" get into heaven. In fact when thinking about the context of the discussion Jesus was having and reading verse 23 as it actually written......"How hard it is for them that TRUST in riches to enter the kingdom?" TRUST being the key word here. "Trust in riches"....meaning the worshipping of them. Just because someone is financially rich doesn't mean they "worship" the money they have attained. Nothing Jesus says here condemns all riches or wealth.
In fact, according to the Bible, Jesus also said:
If ye shall ask anything of the father, he will give it to you in my name. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name; ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy shall be made full.
The hungry he hath filled with good things
All things whatsoever ye pray and ask for, believe that ye receive them and ye shall have them
Nothing shall be impossible unto you
Ask and it shall be given you; seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh, receiveth; and he that seeketh, findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
If ye abide in me and my words abide in you , ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
If ye shall ask anything in my name I will do it
It sounds like Joel Osteen has been asking the right questions, seeking the right answers, and receiving what he asked for......as Jesus apparently commanded. Again, whether he has 50 million is unimportant to me. It doesn't impact me one way or another.......Mr. Greed.
I've already stated that Paul might have been born into some wealth, but he also left that wealth when he followed Jesus. And thanks to Matthews plush government job, the government continued to pay him his salary when he quit his job and followed Jesus. If all fishermen were rich, why were they working on their boats instead of hiring someone to do the heavy lifting? And if the "12 ultra rich dudes who wanted to control that part of the world" actually wanted to do that, why would they leave their riches and follow Jesus. You got to have money to back the revolt, right? And you've introduced another lie, "You were either truly poor or rich in those times." You just can't stop lying. As always, you make up stuff and then attempt to prove your lies as fact. Furthermore, no one said that a rich man cannot possibly enter heaven, but Jesus made in plain that it was difficult and his warnings of the love of money are many. As for your italicized quotes, that's the reason all of the apostles and disciples from that time to this day have been rich, lived several hundred years, never had any health problems, and is why we have world peace. The apostles and all of the followers of Jesus just never got around to asking for all those things. Well, shucks. If we'd only known. Lastly, "It sounds like Joel Osteen has been asking the right questions, seeking the right answers, and receiving what he asked for". Yep, he's been asking for 50 million, and because of his positive attitude, God rewarded him with it. It's that easy. Maybe you should try it.
He can stop telling people they can have what they want just by asking for it and believing they'll receive it.
Easy enough. That's not even what he says.
Well, that seals it. Osteen is not mocking the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Well, that seals it. Osteen is not mocking the gospel of Jesus Christ.
It is what he teaches. If it was the truth, neither you or Raleigh would defend it.
Are you serious???? I was raised in a strong Seventh Day Adventist home one of the last Christian sects who still practices the true Sabbath. But continue, you sunday worshipping mouth breather. This thread is hilarious to watch
That's not what I get from it. The overall message I get is you do God's will and you'll be blessed. He does not guarantee free Cadillacs and diamond rings.
People who pretend to want that stuff don't even know what they really want. You can't be helped if you don't have a real goal. A free Cadillac and a diamond ring just handed to you is not a goal in life.
I'm sure God cares about which day someone attends worship service. If I attend worship service during a 7 day revival, would that make me a monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday sunday worshipping mouth breather?
Donald Trump, Carl Icahn, Warren Buffett are all multi billionaires..........Why do they go into the office everyday and work 14-15 hours???
Who says you have to "revolt" to rule the world. Wasn't Christ's message about changing the world forever from its current condition??? Someone had to be in charge of it. Why not 12 rich dudes who were promised eternal life??? Why do you choose to be an average nobody? Because you believe the Bible tells you to be in order for the same reward....right?
So now you downplay the italicized quotes of Jesus, I found in your Bible?? You mock the word of God as it is written throughout the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?? Its not a surprise. They contradicted your ignorant dogmas. You are more than willing to quote verses of the bible until shown others which alter your misguided premises. You are a hypocrite. Its why these types of discussions are fun to watch and participate in. You end up continuing to show us what you really are. A jealous, envious, snarky, "Christian", who cant seem to get his mind off another man's money.
How do you know I haven't been asking and receiving what I want?? The difference between me and you appears to be I'm just not ignorant or lazy enough to assert a money angel will come down from heaven and easily provide everything I want instantly without effort and challenge (neither does Osteen despite your lying efforts). I actually understand that abundance isn't simply tied to an amount of $$$. You continue to show you're not smart enough to understand that very simple wealth principle. Evidently the "self help" cult couldn't teach it to you either.
It is your due season. How are you enjoying it?
These days, I'm into a lot of baseball. Fascinated with the numbers aspect of it. I've always been a numbers guy. Numbers, rules, games. That's what I'm all about.
I go out and hit 45 baseballs an evening. Then, I come home and watch the Reds game or whatever else is on. When that bores me, I get in the car and cruise around listening to old country music or some baseball organ music I got on a CD now.
This is all stuff I could have done years ago with much less money and aggravation, if I had only known it was my due season.
These days, I'm into a lot of baseball. Fascinated with the numbers aspect of it. I've always been a numbers guy. Numbers, rules, games. That's what I'm all about.
I go out and hit 45 baseballs an evening. Then, I come home and watch the Reds game or whatever else is on. When that bores me, I get in the car and cruise around listening to old country music or some baseball organ music I got on a CD now.
This is all stuff I could have done years ago with much less money and aggravation, if I had only known it was my due season.
Its a damn commandment you idiot to respect the Sabbath day and keep it holy. The Sabbath is the 7th day and the 7th day of the week is Saturday. Do you even read the bible mouth breather
It's not my due season, my due season comes after this life. Yours too. It's not going to be just lying in grave somewhere.
I'd like to believe that, but I can't. Doesn't make sense to me. What makes sense is that many people have to believe that because they are miserable in this life.
There's no need to be miserable now. We've got what we need, especially here in America. Just think, we've all got it made so much that we're really just arguing about how to celebrate our fortunes.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
I don't see which days are specified as the 6 days, do you? More importantly I'm not a Jew, else I would not believe that Christ is the savior.
And you didn't answer my question, so I'll repeat it in case you overlooked it......
" If I attend worship service during a 7 day revival, would that make me a monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday sunday worshipping mouth breather?"
Other than sickness, I've never been miserable. Except when God was calling me to accept his Son and I was refusing. My misery went away when I became a Christian. That doesn't mean I don't have difficulties or upsets now.
The worlds calendar was always Sunday to Saturday similar to the calendar used in the United States today. That is why sunday is called Sunday because its the Day the Sun was rose out of darkness. And Saturday is the day God sat after 6 days of labor. Constantine changed the week to Monday being the first day of the week and sunday being the last(most of the world goes by this calendar)
Nope. Osteen is making material claims to people who are already Christians. As I said before, the only wealth, abundance, riches, ever promised by Jesus was in the form of such things as salvation, peace, hope, and such things.
Worshiping on Wednesday is worshiping. What day of the week is irrelevant. You want to worship on Saturday, fine with me.
Here's the professed beliefs of Joel Osteen. If he would preach THOSE, and omit the 'you can have anything you want' stuff, then he would interest me, he is a good orator.
We Believe…
…the entire Bible is inspired by God, without error and the authority on which we base our faith, conduct and doctrine.
…in one God who exists in three distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came to this earth as Savior of the world.
…Jesus died on the cross and shed His blood for our sins. We believe that salvation is found by placing our faith in what Jesus did for us on the cross. We believe Jesus rose from the dead and is coming again.
…water baptism is a symbol of the cleansing power of the blood of Christ and a testimony to our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
…in the regular taking of Communion as an act of remembering what the Lord Jesus did for us on the cross.
…every believer should be in a growing relationship with Jesus by obeying God’s Word, yielding to the Holy Spirit and by being conformed to the image of Christ.
…as children of God, we are overcomers and more than conquerors and God intends for each of us to experience the abundant life He has in store for us.
https://www.joelosteen.com/Pages/WhatWeBelieve.aspx
This seems to be his main point of focus. It made the list though so it should be good as long as he deletes the specifics about the big houses.
I'll admit I have to kind of ignore the big house stuff or dismiss it as symbolism. I could go out and buy a big house if I wanted. Not interested in it though.
You might want to read Colossians 2:16
And after that, give me the New Testament book and verse commanding me to respect what you're calling the sabbath.
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