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How many times do I have to ask why your "conservative" bank ran your subprime auto department into the ground before you answer?

Considering you’re:

A. Only trying to start an argument, and
B. Incorrectly using that as an example of not being financially sound.

Those are the two primary reasons. We play very little in the subprime market, which is one of many examples of us being a “conservative” (or, really, a rational) bank.

But mainly:

C. My job affects how I feed my family. Engaging with you or anybody else in arguments over how good or bad of an institution I work for is a fruitless venture.
 
rifle, arguing about somehing with people in the field or subject matter experts. Imagine that.
 
This should be obvious. These banks HAD to buy bonds to cover their liabilities (deposits) on their balance sheets. They needed yield. To get the yield they bought long dated bonds, with a hold to maturity classification as the money piled up in accounts.

I think they knew they would lose significant value when rates would increase, that’s why they were willing to hold to maturity. They were/are not banking on is the number of depositors getting their money out of the banks due to recession or moving $$$ to other investments outside the bank.

The Fed lit the fuse by keeping interest rates at zero for years and by adopting Basel 3 banking regulation.
 
We are entering a dangerous time.


2)near Peter threats globally
Conservative obsession with trans people continues.

Hey I wonder if we should put way more restrictions on what banks are allowed to do with depositor’s money. Seems like a bad idea to let them throw so much into stocks and the like?
 
Conservative obsession with trans people continues.

Hey I wonder if we should put way more restrictions on what banks are allowed to do with depositor’s money. Seems like a bad idea to let them throw so much into stocks and the like?
Except for the fact that's not what happens. Stick with something you know. Like family porn night.
 
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Conservative obsession with trans people continues.

Hey I wonder if we should put way more restrictions on what banks are allowed to do with depositor’s money. Seems like a bad idea to let them throw so much into stocks and the like?

Most responsible bankers aren't stock speculators, they loan money and work the rate spread. The higher the ratio, usually the better performing the bank. SVB's ratio was about half of what solid banks' averages are. But yeah, they are from California so we know they are the best and the brightest, right???


"The ratio isn't a tell-all sign of how risky a position a bank is in. For instance, SVB's ratio stood at 43%, according to the bank's mid-quarter update. In mid-2022 the ratio was above 60% across the entire U.S. banking industry, according to S&P Global Market Intelligence data."

Also most responsible bankers don't have large depository accounts in excess of FDIC limits. It is against the law in many states to allow public funds to be in excess of FDIC limits. Not sure about California.

"Deposits up to $250K are insured in the U.S., but less than 10% of accounts at SVB were in that category (an unusually low percentage)."

We can't legislate stupidity but we sure can bail it out...
 
Isn’t that low percentage because of how many companies banked at SVB? Which is also what would be so disruptive about the account holders not getting their money back, since that means companies now aren’t making payroll. The bail out (to account holders, SVB’a investors should rot) was the lesser of two evils.
 
Considering you’re:


B. Incorrectly using that as an example of not being financially sound.
It's not incorrectly. How does a bank have a subprime arm that goes under? That's not conservative. That's incompetence.

We play very little in the subprime market, which is one of many examples of us being a “conservative” (or, really, a rational) bank.
Your subprime company did 5000-6500 subprime auto loans a month. They were fifth or sixth in the country month-to-month in number of subprime originations. "Very little"? Pffft! You were one of the biggest out of literally hundreds of subprime auto lenders.

Incompetent leadership, poor risk analysis, and now hundreds of people who are out of jobs. Thanks, Truist. But don't worry, I am here to save the day. I'll make sure we buy those contracts so that people who need a vehicle to get to work and put food on their table have an option. I'll make sure to find an hour in my day to discuss opportunities with your former execs and senior level managers. Just please tell them to stop following up with me every other day after our discussion. Begging is never a good look.

rifle, arguing about somehing with people in the field or subject matter experts. Imagine that.
Remember a few years ago when the other company I co-founded was skyrocketing and didn't need me involved day-to-day after I hired a CEO who had led a pretty big tech company? Remember at that time when I said I was looking into starting a subprime lending agency? Well, why do all of that when a large subpriime lender can offer you equity to come on board, then sell for just over $300M a year later and cash out? Not only am I in the field (a lender, not a bank), but I am in demand almost as much as my 9" crank is and asked to speak at large conferences on a monthly basis.

Remember how everything Ollie Luck touches turns to shit? Well, everything I touch turns to gold. Records? They go gold. Companies I become a partner in? They sell for way more than they probably should have. Girls I touch? They can't walk for three days.

I'm the golden boy.
 
Isn’t that low percentage because of how many companies banked at SVB? Which is also what would be so disruptive about the account holders not getting their money back, since that means companies now aren’t making payroll. The bail out (to account holders, SVB’a investors should rot) was the lesser of two evils.

No. Every company, non-profit or government agency is aware of this exposure. It makes no difference how many companies banked at SVB. Here is an example of required financial statement disclosures related to this very issue.

"NOTE 12: CONCENTRATION OF CREDIT RISK

Financial instruments that potentially subject the Company to concentration of credit risk consist principally of cash deposits. Accounts at each institution are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (“FDIC”) up to $250,000. At September 30, 2012 and December 31, 2011, the Company had $418,570 and $2,660,821 in excess of the FDIC insured limit, respectively."

There are hedges against this exposure - spreading excess cash around to different financial institutions, overnight repurchase agreements, collateralized accounts, etc.

I could go on but both the bank and the owners of these accounts had, or should have, knowledge of the level of exposure and the steps needed to limit such exposure.
 
We can't legislate stupidity but we sure can bail it out...
We shouldn't. But here we are. Let's instead amplify moral hazard.
spreading excess cash around to different financial institutions,
This is what "unsophisticated" rural farmers often do. You'd think those fancy tech start up guys would be smart. Of course, a lot of those farming families never forgot the Great Depression.
 
Hey I wonder if we should put way more restrictions on what banks are allowed to do with depositor’s money. Seems like a bad idea to let them throw so much into stocks and the like?
That wouldn't have had any impact in this situation. As I understand it, the bank invested a ton into government bonds, generally one of the safest, least volatile investments possible. When the Fed started raising interest rates to cool inflation from the massive influx of cash into the economy from Uncle Joe's handouts it made these old bonds essentially worthless. Now, should the board have seen this coming and purchased less bonds? Maybe. But then they'd be investing that money into the market, which is the opposite of what you're advocating.
 
That wouldn't have had any impact in this situation. As I understand it, the bank invested a ton into government bonds, generally one of the safest, least volatile investments possible. When the Fed started raising interest rates to cool inflation from the massive influx of cash into the economy from Uncle Joe's handouts it made these old bonds essentially worthless. Now, should the board have seen this coming and purchased less bonds? Maybe. But then they'd be investing that money into the market, which is the opposite of what you're advocating.

It's really hard to legislate/regulate stupidity.

I actually don't think SVB's plays were "risky" per se...they were just dumb. Too long of duration and too much of it.

I'm sympathetic though to the calls for regulation. I get it. Bankers have F'd us.

My main fear is eventual consolidation into 3-4 huge banks....then inevitable nationalization and global central bank digital currency. Kind of tin foil hat but it's in the real of possibilities.
 
It's really hard to legislate/regulate stupidity.

I actually don't think SVB's plays were "risky" per se...they were just dumb. Too long of duration and too much of it.

I'm sympathetic though to the calls for regulation. I get it. Bankers have F'd us.

My main fear is eventual consolidation into 3-4 huge banks....then inevitable nationalization and global central bank digital currency. Kind of tin foil hat but it's in the real of possibilities.
I mean what about the last 50 years wouldn’t lead someone to think consolidation is inevitable. The megacorps make more money than they know what to do with and use it to buy their competition. It’s happened in almost every other industry, why not banking?

Nationalization I don’t think is a risk. The bank is more likely to own the government than vice versa.
 
This is what "unsophisticated" rural farmers often do. You'd think those fancy tech start up guys would be smart. Of course, a lot of those farming families never forgot the Great Depression.

So you often call me and others rubes. I didn't know you meant it as a compliment and that you consider us smarter than fancy tech start up guys... Thanks! 👍🙂👍
 
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I mean what about the last 50 years wouldn’t lead someone to think consolidation is inevitable. The megacorps make more money than they know what to do with and use it to buy their competition. It’s happened in almost every other industry, why not banking?

Nationalization I don’t think is a risk. The bank is more likely to own the government than vice versa.
Increased regulation has forced the consolidation. Increased regulation has forced excessive risk taking in an effort to find profitable means to continue business operations. Increased regulation, guys like you crave, is driven by the megacorps to make it harder for smaller players to make it.

Face it. Rubes who cry for more regulation are not smart enough or too lazy to realize their cries, have created and strengthened the crony capitalism we are now watching take over the country. Every tear for "unfairness" simply creates another bureaucrat willing to make it "fair" (aka limit your options).
 
I'm not. It's lazy and moronic when you look at what the history of "regulation" creates. Increased consolidation, less competition, and more cronies.

Increased regulation didn't cause SVB to blow up.

Insane money printing, the fed, and retard risk management maybe, but I don't see how over regulation did it.

I'm certainly no expert, so lots of caveats there.
 
Increased regulation didn't cause SVB to blow up.

Insane money printing, the fed, and retard risk management maybe, but I don't see how over regulation did it.

I'm certainly no expert, so lots of caveats there.
Over regulation most certainly created the situation we now see causing crisis across the banking sector. Regulation created the consolidation of banks, limiting the competition, and encouraging the risk scenario where yield was necessary to find.

Yes, insane printing and lazy risk (non) management of assets resulted in the collapse of SVB, but just as short sighted was the adoption of banking regs which forced banks into this situation over the years. Dodd Frank, Basel 3 (version 1..2..3 etc) have all led up to this.
 
Good thing you clarified that it is at 9 am in the morning as opposed to 9 am at night. Something tells me that they had your microphone muted the entire meeting.

It’s a statement that the call was the very next day, not some other morning later in the week. I could have also said “9 am tomorrow morning” or, if on another day, I could have said “9 am Wednesday morning.” All are acceptable.
 
It’s a statement that the call was the very next day, not some other morning later in the week. I could have also said “9 am tomorrow morning” or, if on another day, I could have said “9 am Wednesday morning.” All are acceptable.

No. The inclusion of both "morning" and "am" is unnecessary.

If I say that I have a doctor's appointment at "8 am in the morning," that doesn't mean that it's tomorrow. It could mean in two days, two weeks, or two months.

The inclusion of both "morning" and "am" is unnecessary.

You could have just as easily said "I have a call at 9 am" to discuss the matter. The specific day would still be absent, and it would still be clear that your call was in the morning without saying it.

Why argue something that is indefensible?
 
No. The inclusion of both "morning" and "am" is unnecessary.

If I say that I have a doctor's appointment at "8 am in the morning," that doesn't mean that it's tomorrow. It could mean in two days, two weeks, or two months.

The inclusion of both "morning" and "am" is unnecessary.

You could have just as easily said "I have a call at 9 am" to discuss the matter. The specific day would still be absent, and it would still be clear that your call was in the morning without saying it.

Why argue something that is indefensible?

It’s funny how something is ‘indefensible’ yet I just successfully defended it.

Seriously, are you that bored today?
 
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Was responding to my joke (posted at night at 7:50 pm it says) about working at night. Make sense to put 9AM, the whole context of the joke was about night time office panic meetings.
 
It’s funny how something is ‘indefensible’ yet I just successfully defended it.

Seriously, are you that bored today?
You didn't successfully defend it at all.

I could have also said “9 am tomorrow morning” or, if on another day, I could have said “9 am Wednesday morning.” All are acceptable.
No, saying "9 am tomorrow morning" or "9 am Wednesday morning" are both horrendous examples of writing and any academic institution outside of West Virginia would call you out on that.

"9 am tomorrrow" eliminates the need for the inclusion of "morning."

Seriously, are you that bored today?
Another flight. Finished with the meal that they served me. Qualified for Ambassador Status again with Marriott. Kiss the ring.
 
If I say that I have a doctor's appointment at "8 am in the morning," that doesn't mean that it's tomorrow. It could mean in two days, two weeks, or two months.

Which of your many properties do you want me to have it sent it?



"If something will happen during the morning of the next day, you can say that it will happen tomorrow morning or in the morning."

So let's analyze this further.

This morning means today before noon.

"I am having breakfast with a friend this morning."

The morning generally means tomorrow before noon.

When putting her kids to bed a mother tells them, "I will see you in the morning". This means tomorrow morning, not in two days, two week or two months. Were you told this in the past? Is that your problem?

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"Right now Books-A-Million has many of their “For Dummies” books discounted and all of them have a $5 mail-in rebate! With most of these books running around $15, this makes these books around $10!"

Refund
However if you decide you don't want to benefit from my gracious and charitable offer you could return the book to the vendor and I will receive a refund of the purchase price (before rebate) to my credit card.
 
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