Does D'Antoni have the dedication to recruit well?

[KeatonsCorner]

To DUNCE KeatonsCorner---------Yes, Tom H. did win 20+ games twice...sorry, I did not give him credit for winning 20 + games with Donnie J's recruits. And YES Greg Marshall was hired to RE-BUILD a struggling Wichita State program.....Marshall is the winingest head coach in Shockers history (221 wins) and the winingest coach in Winthrop history (194 wins).......YES Greg is a RE-BUILDER.

Give Dan a Chance....Rome was not built in a day.....

HerdZilla22 in Charlotte

Marshall entered a Shocker program that went to the Sweet 16 in 2006 and was an AP Top 10 team at one point in 2007. There was nothing to rebuild..........

Signed,

Reality.

And that whole "Rome was built in a day" crap dies here in this thread about recruiting. This is recruiting class #3 for Dan........... kids who will be here in year 7 if he lasts that long. And what does he have? An undersized, serviceable PG who isn't a deep threat and a big man who can't shoot from range and isn't (right now) able to play the up tempo style of basketball. This followed by 2 classes of next to nothing other than Phil Bledsoe.

The future of MU basketball....... that's what this thread is about, and Dan is failing as the builder.

 

[CarolinaHerdZilla22]

Marshall entered a Shocker program that went to the Sweet 16 in 2006 and was an AP Top 10 team at one point in 2007. There was nothing to rebuild..........

Signed,

Reality.

And that whole "Rome was built in a day" crap dies here in this thread about recruiting. This is recruiting class #3 for Dan........... kids who will be here in year 7 if he lasts that long. And what does he have? An undersized, serviceable PG who isn't a deep threat and a big man who can't shoot from range and isn't (right now) able to play the up tempo style of basketball. This followed by 2 classes of next to nothing other than Phil Bledsoe.

The future of MU basketball....... that's what this thread is about, and Dan is failing as the builder.

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Oh great one (KeatonsCorner)....lets role play. Mike Hamrick retires at 5:00 PM tonight. You are hired to be MU's AD......Your first job is to terminate Dan D'Antoni. WHO do you hire with roughly a starting basketball salary around $400,000/annually plus other fringe benefits (Guyan CC membership); free auto use; Summer camps;, etc.....things that most WV NAIA (Concord, Shepard, AB....) schools can offer but less than $400K salary.

Jeff Jones (ODU) gets $2.4 million/annually; Tim Floyd (UTEP $600,00, about $200,000 more than the University President makes $392,000); Mark Price (Charlotte) $500,000 salary.......Marshall basketball coach's salary is dead last in CUSA in 2014-1015. Marshall was posted at $275K *....Dan now gets more starting year three.

YOUR MOVE....Enlighten US.......Waiting for your hire---Korners......?????? Anyone want to help Korners land a coach in October?

HerdZilla22 (Sweeney in Charlotte)

 

[Sean Hammond]

Marshall entered a Shocker program that went to the Sweet 16 in 2006 and was an AP Top 10 team at one point in 2007. There was nothing to rebuild..........

Signed,

Reality.

And that whole "Rome was built in a day" crap dies here in this thread about recruiting. This is recruiting class #3 for Dan........... kids who will be here in year 7 if he lasts that long. And what does he have? An undersized, serviceable PG who isn't a deep threat and a big man who can't shoot from range and isn't (right now) able to play the up tempo style of basketball. This followed by 2 classes of next to nothing other than Phil Bledsoe.

The future of MU basketball....... that's what this thread is about, and Dan is failing as the builder.

I am not at all saying Dan has anything close to this team currently on the roster or potentially coming in.

But if someone rewinded the wvu basketball program to 2002 when wvu was coming off an 8 win season and "the future" was Kevin Pittsnogle, the coach's son, 5'10 JD Collins, 6'7 "big man" Tyrone Sally, Herber, a transfer coming in from St. Bonaventure, and you were going to lose 20pt scorer, Drew Schifino. What's the likelihood you would project that team playing for Big East titles?

Btw, here's what that 20pt scorer had to say in the paper about Beilein's style of play:
"I look around this league and I see the best players and they're getting the ball," he said. "I'm a [third-team] all-conference player in the Big East and I'm not getting the ball. ... For us to win in the Big East, I have to score points. I don't know what's going on. I really don't. But I'm going to talk to [Beilein]."

"I want to play for a coach who wants someone who can score, and I want to go someplace where they have a chance to go to the NCAA tournament -- not that I want to say anything bad about West Virginia," he said.


Funny how it all worked out for the coach who wouldn't give the baller the ball and the baller who wouldn't conform to a system.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

You're not going to like the answer..........

WVU assistant coach Ronnie Everhart, who wanted the job in 2014.

You'll notice his name in ESPN's article on the top recruiters from each Preseason Top 25 team. The guy is responsible for numerous "under the radar" recruits that WVU has gotten that have turned out well. He knows WV, VA, and OH. He has ties to DC and Western PA. He's also relentless on the recruiting circuits and in the JUCO showcase circuits.

Easy hire if he'd accept, which he would.

2nd Option - Former WVU PG and current University of Florida assistant Darris Nichols. Nichols is the same guy who just snagged WV's own Chase Johnson out from under the nose of Bob Huggins and who, through his career (KNU, Wofford, La Tech, UF) is known for getting higher-rated recruits to commit to lesser programs. This is a PG who went to 3 NCAA tournaments (Elite 8, Sweet 16 twice) and an NIT championship during his four years and if it weren't for a blown knee would still be playing overseas. Regardless, he's an up and coming HC target who loves the state of WV.

 

[Herd Fever]

Kelly was a highlight reel but was VERY lazy on defense. In fact so lazy he played very little in the last half of his last game in the conference tournament. He sat right in front of me on the bench. Watching us now is day and night different than last year. We are much, much quicker and much more ball hawkish than last year.

He was lazy on defense because he was told to be lazy on defense

 

[KeatonsCorner]

I am not at all saying Dan has anything close to this team currently on the roster or potentially coming in.

But if someone rewinded the wvu basketball program to 2002 when wvu was coming off an 8 win season and "the future" was Kevin Pittsnogle, the coach's son, 5'10 JD Collins, 6'7 "big man" Tyrone Sally, Herber, a transfer coming in from St. Bonaventure, and you were going to lose 20pt scorer, Drew Schifino. What's the likelihood you would project that team playing for Big East titles?

Btw, here's what that 20pt scorer had to say in the paper about Beilein's style of play:
"I look around this league and I see the best players and they're getting the ball," he said. "I'm a [third-team] all-conference player in the Big East and I'm not getting the ball. ... For us to win in the Big East, I have to score points. I don't know what's going on. I really don't. But I'm going to talk to [Beilein]."

"I want to play for a coach who wants someone who can score, and I want to go someplace where they have a chance to go to the NCAA tournament -- not that I want to say anything bad about West Virginia," he said.


Funny how it all worked out for the coach who wouldn't give the baller the ball and the baller who wouldn't conform to a system.

You're comparing a group of players who started all 4 years of their college career and didn't really achieve anything until the END of their junior seasons (March 2005). Folks don't remember that before that March run, that team was barely over .500.

And even still, that was done by a PROVEN college basketball coach in John Beilein, who won at all levels and came from success at Richmond U.

 

[AllEers6]

As I've said many times before, he was offered the same deal Burks accepted. Sit a year, get your academics in order and then play.

well, Burkes was a prop

 

[CarolinaHerdZilla22]

He was lazy on defense because he was told to be lazy on defense

Oh Fever...You must have a HIGH FEVER......."Kelly was TOLD to be lazy on Defense by whom?" I was in Birmingham and we have our BEST player (probably the best athlete to wear any Marshall jersey, yes including Randy Moss) on the bench with over 5 minutes remaining in a winable game. Why? He was not playing defense in the second half and his college career ended on the PINE.

Coach Dan coaching, teaching & sending a message to ALL players...."You bust your ass---or take a seat with me." Case closed.

HerdZilla22 (Sweeney in Charlotte)

 

[Sean Hammond]

You're comparing a group of players who started all 4 years of their college career and didn't really achieve anything until the END of their junior seasons (March 2005). Folks don't remember that before that March run, that team was barely over .500.

And even still, that was done by a PROVEN college basketball coach in John Beilein, who won at all levels and came from success at Richmond U.

I agree. I'm in now way saying Dan is going to lead us to a Final Four. Just trying to show that there's more than one way to build a roster.

Also, with the way we play, the talent we're looking for is not what other teams look for and most scouting services don't take into account. Jon Elmore wasn't highly recruited and was one of the best PGs in CUSA during his freshman (hopefully) season. Stevie Browing came from Fairmont St and showed he could play with CUSA talent. Austin Loop was a walk-on who is now starting and can play with CUSA talent. CJ Burks didn't have a ton of offers, but he showed he can play (and possibly start) in CUSA.

The fact that Dan took over a dumpster fire and had us finishing 3rd in CUSA in his second season shows he isn't an idiot when it comes to coaching either. Might not be Beilein, but he can coach. I'll take that at Marshall.

 

[Herd Fever]

I agree. I'm in now way saying Dan is going to lead us to a Final Four. Just trying to show that there's more than one way to build a roster.

Also, with the way we play, the talent we're looking for is not what other teams look for and most scouting services don't take into account. Jon Elmore wasn't highly recruited and was one of the best PGs in CUSA during his freshman (hopefully) season. Stevie Browing came from Fairmont St and showed he could play with CUSA talent. Austin Loop was a walk-on who is now starting and can play with CUSA talent. CJ Burks didn't have a ton of offers, but he showed he can play (and possibly start) in CUSA.

The fact that Dan took over a dumpster fire and had us finishing 3rd in CUSA in his second season shows he isn't an idiot when it comes to coaching either. Might not be Beilein, but he can coach. I'll take that at Marshall.

Seems like you would just take just good enough

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Saying Austin Loop and Steve Browning can play with CUSA is kind of an exaggeration, isn't it? Yes, they can shoot it well. But they can't defend a rock. They're one-way players.

Elmore got a lot more attention on the recruiting trail than what gets led on.......... he was a hair from a WVU offer as well. Huggs brought him in the same weekend as Daxter Miles and put them both out there in an open gym with the players...... at the end of the game, Miles got the offer and Elmore didn't.

Burks had the attention of some major programs, WVU included........... but everyone and their brother knew he couldn't make the grades. Maryland wanted him if I recall........ but the books got in the way.

I just feel that Herd fans were fed fools gold last year because CUSA was soooooooooo down in 2016. 28th ranked league out of all 32 D1 leagues. Dan's coaching isn't really even being discussed here (although it's clear he's not too interested in coaching defense)......... He's never worked in an environment where he HAD to go out and get players. HS and NBA, the players came to him............ and to date, he's shown he's not real interested in putting in the time and effort to bring in talent to MU. I mean, at the few events he DID attend this summer, he only followed around Luke Frampton, Jarrod West, and Chase Johnson............ and that effort led to 1/3, and not the 1 you really need.

 

[CarolinaHerdZilla22]

I agree. I'm in now way saying Dan is going to lead us to a Final Four. Just trying to show that there's more than one way to build a roster.

Also, with the way we play, the talent we're looking for is not what other teams look for and most scouting services don't take into account. Jon Elmore wasn't highly recruited and was one of the best PGs in CUSA during his freshman (hopefully) season. Stevie Browing came from Fairmont St and showed he could play with CUSA talent. Austin Loop was a walk-on who is now starting and can play with CUSA talent. CJ Burks didn't have a ton of offers, but he showed he can play (and possibly start) in CUSA.

The fact that Dan took over a dumpster fire and had us finishing 3rd in CUSA in his second season shows he isn't an idiot when it comes to coaching either. Might not be Beilein, but he can coach. I'll take that at Marshall.

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Thank you Sean for making a lot of educated sense. RECRUITING is a crap shoot. It is difficult to see inside a kid's heart on recruiting trips or during their campus visits. As you stated.....Marshall recruits basketball players that "fit what Dan & his staff are teaching....and can make it in the CLASSROOM." If you can shoot the basketball, no matter what high school level you played......"Scorers will get their open shots."

HerdZilla22 (Sweeney in Charlotte)

 

[Herd Fever]

More like a One side player

 

[Herd Fever]

Saying Austin Loop can play with CUSA is kind of an exaggeration, isn't it? Yes, he can shoot it well. But he can't defend a rock. He's a one-way player.

Elmore got a lot more attention on the recruiting trail than what gets led on.......... he was a hair from a WVU offer as well. Huggs brought him in the same weekend as Daxter Miles and put them both out there in an open gym with the players...... at the end of the game, Miles got the offer and Elmore didn't.

Burks had the attention of some major programs, WVU included........... but everyone and their brother knew he couldn't make the grades. Maryland wanted him if I recall........ but the books got in the way.

I just feel that Herd fans were fed fools gold last year because CUSA was soooooooooo down in 2016. 28th ranked league out of all 32 D1 leagues.

I never accepted the fools gold.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Dan says "Recruiting is hard......... let's just take who we know we can sign and see what happens. I'm ready to get home"

The "Dan recruits to his system" folks won't acknowledge that the following DON'T/DIDN'T fit Dan's system:

Mijovic - can't shoot from distance, can't run the court well
Thompson - has no range outside 10 feet
Penava - can't shoot from distance, can't run the court well
Dozic - couldn't cut it
Nikolic - 6'5 PG should be perfect, but he doesn't shoot the 3 well at all, and shies from it
Robinette ('17 commit) - big body with low mobility and low athleticism. Range out to the foul line

I mean............. that's half the kids that Dan has taken commitments from since arriving NOT being "his system" guys.

 

[alphasig1053]

I agree with Keaton that Dan is a lazy recruiter that doesnt bring in many kids that should be playing CUSA Basketball. But, I do find it funny that he wanted to mention that offer lists is the main criteria to go by with recruits because he has argued with me that the kid from morganhole that has committed to mvu is diff. Or, has brought up some lame excuse for why football recruits are not going to mvu (or why the recruits who dont have much of an offer list are a steal).

 

[Sean Hammond]

Saying Austin Loop can play with CUSA is kind of an exaggeration, isn't it? Yes, he can shoot it well. But he can't defend a rock. He's a one-way player.

Elmore got a lot more attention on the recruiting trail than what gets led on.......... he was a hair from a WVU offer as well. Huggs brought him in the same weekend as Daxter Miles and put them both out there in an open gym with the players...... at the end of the game, Miles got the offer and Elmore didn't.

Burks had the attention of some major programs, WVU included........... but everyone and their brother knew he couldn't make the grades. Maryland wanted him if I recall........ but the books got in the way.

I just feel that Herd fans were fed fools gold last year because CUSA was soooooooooo down in 2016. 28th ranked league out of all 32 D1 leagues. Dan's coaching isn't really even being discussed here (although it's clear he's not too interested in coaching defense)......... He's never worked in an environment where he HAD to go out and get players. HS and NBA, the players came to him............ and to date, he's shown he's not real interested in putting in the time and effort to bring in talent to MU. I mean, at the few events he DID attend this summer, he only followed around Luke Frampton, Jarrod West, and Chase Johnson............ and that effort led to 1/3, and not the 1 you really need.

Austin Loop started on the 3rd place CUSA team. Honestly, I wish he wasn't starting and was a player we could bring off the bench for the reasons you mentioned. But when the So Miss game came down to the last shot, who won the game for us? When MTSU played us zone, who was the player who kept us in the game? What Loop does is spread the floor and open up a lot of things for other players. Yeah, he may not be a great defender, but he does a lot of us on the offensive end, even when the ball isn't in his hands.

I don't care how much attention Elmore got. This is the crap that always comes out after the fact. Fact is, he wasn't highly recruited, didn't have a lot of offers, and came in on Day 1 and as one of our best players...as a freshman.

I don't know about Burks. I know he was a very good high school player who didn't bet much publicity. Maybe that was because of grades, but it doesn't really matter. He's a local product who has proved he can play in CUSA. We've got him (maybe, if he can get his grades up) for the next 3 years.


CUSA did suck last season. There's no doubt about that. But we were competitive with the top teams in our conference. We beat ODU twice, played UAB to the end twice, and played with a MTSU team (1-2 record on the year) that knocked off Mich State in the tournament. There needs to be continued improvement with our program. We'll see if that happens, but I'm pretty pleased with what I've seen through only 2 seasons.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

If Dan is going to take someone like Robinette in 2017............. then there was zero excuse not to offer and take Levi Cook in 2016. They are the SAME EXACT players except Cook is better, stronger, more athletic

 

[CarolinaHerdZilla22]

Saying Austin Loop can play with CUSA is kind of an exaggeration, isn't it? Yes, he can shoot it well. But he can't defend a rock. He's a one-way player.

Elmore got a lot more attention on the recruiting trail than what gets led on.......... he was a hair from a WVU offer as well. Huggs brought him in the same weekend as Daxter Miles and put them both out there in an open gym with the players...... at the end of the game, Miles got the offer and Elmore didn't.

Burks had the attention of some major programs, WVU included........... but everyone and their brother knew he couldn't make the grades. Maryland wanted him if I recall........ but the books got in the way.

I just feel that Herd fans were fed fools gold last year because CUSA was soooooooooo down in 2016. 28th ranked league out of all 32 D1 leagues. Dan's coaching isn't really even being discussed here (although it's clear he's not too interested in coaching defense)......... He's never worked in an environment where he HAD to go out and get players. HS and NBA, the players came to him............ and to date, he's shown he's not real interested in putting in the time and effort to bring in talent to MU. I mean, at the few events he DID attend this summer, he only followed around Luke Frampton, Jarrod West, and Chase Johnson............ and that effort led to 1/3, and not the 1 you really need.

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Since you bring "Huggy Bear" into the conversation.......here's my thoughts. Huggy is Chicken Shit to continue playing a Dandy Dan coached teams. He ESCAPED with wins two straight years winning late in the games. Dec. 14, 2014...#21 wvu 69---HERD 66. Dec. 17, 2015....wvu 86--HERD 68....Herd was outscored big in the final 8 minutes. The final score was not indicative of the closeness of the game. WVU with it "thug type attitude players" beat up on HERD players and the refs called fouls on Marshall. Huggy sees the writing on the wall. Net result.....Just like football...the fans of West Virginia are CHEATED by drunks that head up wvu's football & basketball programs. I wonder what the graduation rate for both wvu programs are?

HerdZilla22 ...a guy that cheers for wvu too.....I am all about things called WEST VIRGINIA....

 

[Sean Hammond]

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Since you bring "Huggy Bear" into the conversation.......here's my thoughts. Huggy is Chicken Shit to continue playing a Dandy Dan coached teams. He ESCAPED with wins two straight years winning late in the games. Dec. 14, 2014...#21 wvu 69---HERD 66. Dec. 17, 2015....wvu 86--HERD 68....Herd was outscored big in the final 8 minutes. The final score was not indicative of the closeness of the game. WVU with it "thug type attitude players" beat up on HERD players and the refs called fouls on Marshall. Huggy sees the writing on the wall. Net result.....Just like football...the fans of West Virginia are CHEATED by drunks that head up wvu's football & basketball programs. I wonder what the graduation rate for both wvu programs are?

HerdZilla22 ...a guy that cheers for wvu too.....I am all about things called WEST VIRGINIA....

C'mon, man. We're having a decent discussion. Don't turn this thread into this crap.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Bob Huggins has a near 100% graduation rate at WVU, with the one exception being Devin Ebanks, who left for the NBA at 2 years. Football is above 75%, which for a roster of more than 100 kids, is good.

and in the 2015-16 match up, the lead was 18 points at the 8 minutes remaining mark, but D'Antoni re-instituted his press defense once Huggins put the walk-ons in the game..... and the lead stayed at 18. In fact, the Herd didn't get within single-digits after the first 6 minutes in the 2nd half

next question please

 

[CarolinaHerdZilla22]

Bob Huggins has a near 100% graduation rate at WVU, with the one exception being Devin Ebanks, who left for the NBA at 2 years.

next question please

PROVE THAT......

HerdZilla22

 

[CarolinaHerdZilla22]

I did not TRUST you Corners...therefore, I Googled wvu basketball graduation rates. 100 % for Huggy. My hat is off to him. He is a late learner then. At Ciny...his rate was 0 %.....Good for WVU and their basketball program.....

HerdZilla22

 

[KeatonsCorner]

He was 0% for one year because Cinci doesn't operate on semesters. They do quarters, and that year he had so much talent on his roster that ALL the seniors left school before that last quarter (right when the season ends) to start training for pro careers.

The quarters system greatly impacts Huggins' graduation rates at Cinci, as seniors would drop out a quarter too soon to train to turn pro.

That's the part guys like Rick Reilly fail to report.


Don't know why you wouldn't trust me.... I'm not here to smack talk. This thread has always been about MARSHALL basketball recruiting.......... yet one poster keeps trying to change the topic.

 

[CockyHerd]

I agree. I'm in now way saying Dan is going to lead us to a Final Four. Just trying to show that there's more than one way to build a roster.

Also, with the way we play, the talent we're looking for is not what other teams look for and most scouting services don't take into account. Jon Elmore wasn't highly recruited and was one of the best PGs in CUSA during his freshman (hopefully) season. Stevie Browing came from Fairmont St and showed he could play with CUSA talent. Austin Loop was a walk-on who is now starting and can play with CUSA talent. CJ Burks didn't have a ton of offers, but he showed he can play (and possibly start) in CUSA.

The fact that Dan took over a dumpster fire and had us finishing 3rd in CUSA in his second season shows he isn't an idiot when it comes to coaching either. Might not be Beilein, but he can coach. I'll take that at Marshall.

Seriously.....You'd think that we finished dead last in the conference last year based on the way some of these people are acting.

I'm at least giving Dan some time to turn this thing around......and even if doesn't happen, remind yourself of this. No one wants Marshall to succeed both on and off of the court more than Dan D'Antoni.

Trust me, I've stood and spoken with Dan in person and looked in his eyes.....He wants this to happen. He has a plan and he's sticking to it and I'm going to support him until it works out one way or the other.

Maybe he's rubbed some of you the wrong way. He's a no nonsense kind of guy, very much like his father. He loves his family, he loves Marshall, loves basketball, and loves molding young men. There's a reason why he stayed in high school coaching for so long and it wasn't because he didn't have other opportunities....He loves working with kids and seeing them develop into fine adults. That's the change I noticed first.....What a great group of young men representing our university.

If it works out, he'll pass the credit to his coaches and the kids....He'll even thank the fans, as he's already done......If it doesn't work out, he'll know he gave all he had and I'll thank him for that.

I'm with Dan!!! Let's go Herd!

 

[CarolinaHerdZilla22]

Kelly was a highlight reel but was VERY lazy on defense. In fact so lazy he played very little in the last half of his last game in the conference tournament. He sat right in front of me on the bench. Watching us now is day and night different than last year. We are much, much quicker and much more ball hawkish than last year.

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Hey Herdmeister....really sad to read about Jim Gilbert dying recently. I first met Jim on a cold, November 21, 1064 at Parkersburg. Magnolia...15-----Mt. Hope Mustangs 7. QB Jim & I became good friends at Marshall and we kidded each other about that epic WV AA Championship battle. Way too young (age 69) for another member of The HERD to leave this earth.

HerdZilla (Sweeney in Charlotte).

 

[KeatonsCorner]

who has Dan recruited that could be the next James Kelly? Or even the next Jon Elmore?

 

[CockyHerd]

well, Burkes was a prop

It's Burks........

And that's what Dixson was until UIC figured out a way to get him eligible.

Think about it.....If this kid was all about playing for a competitive team and improving as a basketball player, he had a lot of options available to him. Prep, JUCO, or Prop at Marshall.......He chose UIC.

 

[bbneutralfan]

Hey cockeyherd look at the rosters of some of the schools you mention. You will quickly see that they are not comprised almost solely if in-state high school kids. Secondly they have coaches who can recruit talented players - not just to give an in-state kid a scholarship when they may not be D1 caliber to begin with.

 

[CarolinaHerdZilla22]

Seriously.....You'd think that we finished dead last in the conference last year based on the way some of these people are acting.

I'm at least giving Dan some time to turn this thing around......and even if doesn't happen, remind yourself of this. No one wants Marshall to succeed both on and off of the court more than Dan D'Antoni.

Trust me, I've stood and spoken with Dan in person and looked in his eyes.....He wants this to happen. He has a plan and he's sticking to it and I'm going to support him until it works out one way or the other.

Maybe he's rubbed some of you the wrong way. He's a no nonsense kind of guy, very much like his father. He loves his family, he loves Marshall, loves basketball, and loves molding young men. There's a reason why he stayed in high school coaching for so long and it wasn't because he didn't have other opportunities....He loves working with kids and seeing them develop into fine adults. That's the change I noticed first.....What a great group of young men representing our university.

If it works out, he'll pass the credit to his coaches and the kids....He'll even thank the fans, as he's already done......If it doesn't work out, he'll know he gave all he had and I'll thank him for that.

I'm with Dan!!! Let's go Herd!

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Damn, Cocky, you almost made me tear up. I met Dan in junior high (although he laughs & "says I don't remember you Sweeney"). He played at Mullens...I lettered at Mt Hope. I recall the first time I guarded him...he lit me up for about 25 pts. I remind him of that when I beat his ass at golf. LOL. We were at Marshall together (1965---69,70). Never did I ever image I would marry his first cousin (Anne M. from Pineville). Anne's Mom & Dan's Mom were sisters.....both reside in Heaven today.

He was one tough hard nosed guard in basketball. He took on all comers including the late Jimmy V. Dan was a gifted scorer and point guard during some great games played in the Old Field House. It was always packed to the rafters. I attended Graduate School (School of JRN) in 1970---Dan remained to coach our JV team (included brother Mike)....since freshman could not play Varsity during that time. Dan made it to the last cut in his quest to play in the NBA (Bullets). Thus, he returned to Huntington to coach our 1970 JV squad. They went undefeated (I think) beating teams like UK, wvu, Dayton. I did not consult their schedule for accuracy of opponents. Funny thing...the Field House was packed for the JV games....lots of folks hit the exits when an average Varsity squad came on the floor.

By the Grace of God...Dan is alive to become head basketball coach at a school that he & I LOVE===Marshall University. This is why he cried the day he accepted to become the Head Coach at Marshall...pointing to the sky and saying...."Dr. Haley you always said I would be head coach for The Herd someday----Well, Here I Am." You see...Dan was married to his first wife (Alice), both attending graduate school, living in a garage apartment owned by Dr. Haley. Had Dan not given up his seat on Thursday to Dr. Haley's wife---Dan would have been one of the 75 that Marshall lost, November 14, 1970. I am sorry Mrs Haley lost her life...I am happy that Dan remains to rebuild Marshall basketball and remain a true friend to me and our Family. Dan, to this day can not watch the movie---We Are Marshall, nor visit the grave yard where we honor the dead. I was finally able to visit my friend Kevin Gilmore about three years ago at the grave site that honors him and others that could not be identified. This is why I played in the Marcello Laiterman Memorial Fund Golf outing (to raise $$$ for HERD athletes), Friday, Sept. 23. $100 well spent to advance HERD athletes.

I hope Dan proves some naysayers wrong.....and gets The HERD into the NCAA. That timeline remains unrecorded....I hope 2016-17 will be the year...Dan picks up some nice bonus $$$ for getting Marshall into The Big Dance.

Time will tell..............

 

[CarolinaHerdZilla22]

who has Dan recruited that could be the next James Kelly? Or even the next Jon Elmore?

I have no answer for that one.

Kelly was a pleasant gift for Marshall. As documented, he stated his career at Miami (ACC)...had some issues and landed at Marshall to finish his career. James was drafted 07/20/2016 as the 8th pick by Inchon ET Land of Korea Basketball League. He was the first Marshall star to play in the NBA Summer league (Charlotte Hornets) since Hassan Whiteside (July 2014). Kelly was the first player in Marshall history to post a combination of 663 pts. & 324 rebounds in a single season.

Hope to see James someday in a Charlotte Hornets uniform or another NBA team colors. HOUSTON??????

HerdZilla22 In Charlotte

 

[Herd Fever]

It's Burks........

And that's what Dixson was until UIC figured out a way to get him eligible.

Think about it.....If this kid was all about playing for a competitive team and improving as a basketball player, he had a lot of options available to him. Prep, JUCO, or Prop at Marshall.......He chose UIC.

You cant figure out a way to get someone eligible. Your either Eligible or your not point blank

 

[Herd Fever]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Damn, Cocky, you almost made me tear up. I met Dan in junior high (although he laughs & "says I don't remember you Sweeney"). He played at Mullens...I lettered at Mt Hope. I recall the first time I guarded him...he lit me up for about 25 pts. I remind him of that when I beat his ass at golf. LOL. We were at Marshall together (1965---69,70). Never did I ever image I would marry his first cousin (Anne M. from Pineville). Anne's Mom & Dan's Mom were sisters.....both reside in Heaven today.

He was one tough hard nosed guard in basketball. He took on all comers including the late Jimmy V. Dan was a gifted scorer and point guard during some great games played in the Old Field House. It was always packed to the rafters. I attended Graduate School (School of JRN) in 1970---Dan remained to coach our JV team (included brother Mike)....since freshman could not play Varsity during that time. Dan made it to the last cut in his quest to play in the NBA (Bullets). Thus, he returned to Huntington to coach our 1970 JV squad. They went undefeated (I think) beating teams like UK, wvu, Dayton. I did not consult their schedule for accuracy of opponents. Funny thing...the Field House was packed for the JV games....lots of folks hit the exits when an average Varsity squad came on the floor.

By the Grace of God...Dan is alive to become head basketball coach at a school that he & I LOVE===Marshall University. This is why he cried the day he accepted to become the Head Coach at Marshall...pointing to the sky and saying...."Dr. Haley you always said I would be head coach for The Herd someday----Well, Here I Am." You see...Dan was married to his first wife (Alice), both attending graduate school, living in a garage apartment owned by Dr. Haley. Had Dan not given up his seat on Thursday to Dr. Haley's wife---Dan would have been one of the 75 that Marshall lost, November 14, 1970. I am sorry Mrs Haley lost her life...I am happy that Dan remains to rebuild Marshall basketball and remain a true friend to me and our Family. Dan, to this day can not watch the movie---We Are Marshall, nor visit the grave yard where we honor the dead. I was finally able to visit my friend Kevin Gilmore about three years ago at the grave site that honors him and others that could not be identified. This is why I played in the Marcello Laiterman Memorial Fund Golf outing (to raise $$$ for HERD athletes), Friday, Sept. 23. $100 well spent to advance HERD athletes.

I hope Dan proves some naysayers wrong.....and gets The HERD into the NCAA. That timeline remains unrecorded....I hope 2016-17 will be the year...Dan picks up some nice bonus $$$ for getting Marshall into The Big Dance.

Time will tell..............

Cool Story Bro but who cares. People only care about wins and losses and recruiting talent players. He hasnt done either

 

[Sean Hammond]

who has Dan recruited that could be the next James Kelly? Or even the next Jon Elmore?

We don't have a James Kelly. He was a hell of a player for us and I think he was needed at the time.

But the best thing about the system Dan runs is that it doesn't rely on a single player (the same way wvu's system worked under Beilein).We leaned a lot on Kelly last season, but lets not act like Kelly was doing what he did by himself. Before Elmore arrived, Kelly was jacking up a lot of ugly shots and people were saying he needed to get in the paint and off the 3pt line. Then when Elmore arrives, we started hitting that high PnR and people couldn't defend it. IMO, we relied a little too heavy on that, but people act like what Kelly did last year was on Kelly's talent alone and his opportunities weren't opened up by the system we run. Kelly not being able to play well away from the ball (or screen action) also made Ryan Taylor kinda take a backseat too and I think it hurt Taylor's production.

This system doesn't need a freak athlete to fill in for Kelly. We need shooters who can stretch the floor, like Pittsnogle did for wvu. If we could have landed the transfer from Hawaii, I think he would have been better than Kelly. But unfortunately, he went to play pro ball overseas. The ability of our 5 man to be a threat from outside does concern me right now though. That's a big thing that makes this offense go. But if we don't have that, there are some different things we can do. I don't think we ran enough set plays last year because we relied on the Kelly/Elmore action off the high PnR. Some of the plays we ran out of timouts last year were pretty great, but we didn't do that stuff enough last season, IMO. Maybe we do some of that more and become a more efficient offense?

And Elmore has at least 2 more years left to play. I like what Allison and West will bring to the program in years after.

 

[CockyHerd]

You cant figure out a way to get someone eligible. Your either Eligible or your not point blank

Well, whether he took his SAT/ACT again, took a class over the Summer, or straightened something up in his transcript......Last Spring he was ineligible at Marshall and was offered the opportunity to Prop.....Fact.

 

[oldeherd]

As for KeatonsCorner's possible "coaching replacements" for MU, I would say that based on his progression in a brief coaching tenure, Darrius Nichols, a former WVU player, is probably on tract to end up back in Morganhole in the not too distant future. Look, he played for Huggins who is about 63 or 64, way overweight with some apparent heart issues. Huggs contracted for another 5 or 6 years or so then slated for a PR/fund raising post. Billy Hahn, long time assistant and a good recruiter, also up in years and could retire soon. So if Florida and Nichols, under head coach White who was at LA Tech, have sustained success, I could well see that Nichols will be with Huggs as Assoc. Head Coach in a few years, and then slides into head job when Huggs hangs it up.

As for DD, my major concern is that he is SOON going to have to recruit one or more, some, FRONT Court players with real TALENT. Kelly is gone and so is Taylor after this season, and NO ONE, on current squad or in upcoming recruiting class, is near as talented or ready to contribute big time to the program. We have a lot of role type forwards, or projects, Penava, Thompson, Thinemann, Williams, the kid now at Hargrave, Bledsoe, etc., etc., but we need a instant dose of ready to play front court talent, after this season, IMO. And, personally, I don't care if Danny D. and Coach Cline find it in the form of graduate transfers, like Kelly, or a quality talent from the JUCO ranks: Just FIND IT!!

Final comment: If you want an example of contrasting coaching philosophies, I suggest Herd fans keep an eye on the program of one our former league colleagues and heated rivals: East Tennessee State. Last year, they brought in a career assistant, Steve Forbes, from Greg Marshall's Wichita St. staff as their head coach. Forbes brought in Jucos and transfer players from schools like Indiana, Wichita State, etc. His team proceeded to win 24 games, competed for So Con. championship, and in the post season tournament in Las Vegas, they beat LA. Tech of CUSA!! Also, did not appear to have any significant off court issues, as of to date. So I would say watch ETSU, and, as some have mentioned, Kevin Keatts's UNC Wilmington program. It just could be that these programs, as well as our own program, will find success on the hardwoods, including sustained winning seasons and post season appearances, using very divergent coaching and recruiting philosophies!!! And who is to say one way is better than the other? Or as ole Chairman Mao would say, "let a hundred flowers bloom".

 

[ohio herd]

Seriously.....You'd think that we finished dead last in the conference last year based on the way some of these people are acting.

I'm at least giving Dan some time to turn this thing around......and even if doesn't happen, remind yourself of this. No one wants Marshall to succeed both on and off of the court more than Dan D'Antoni.

Trust me, I've stood and spoken with Dan in person and looked in his eyes.....He wants this to happen. He has a plan and he's sticking to it and I'm going to support him until it works out one way or the other.

Maybe he's rubbed some of you the wrong way. He's a no nonsense kind of guy, very much like his father. He loves his family, he loves Marshall, loves basketball, and loves molding young men. There's a reason why he stayed in high school coaching for so long and it wasn't because he didn't have other opportunities....He loves working with kids and seeing them develop into fine adults. That's the change I noticed first.....What a great group of young men representing our university.

If it works out, he'll pass the credit to his coaches and the kids....He'll even thank the fans, as he's already done......If it doesn't work out, he'll know he gave all he had and I'll thank him for that.

I'm with Dan!!! Let's go Herd!

I agree 100% with both of you. I mean it's not like we have been cutting down the nets around here. He is building a different type of team. I like what I see so far.

 

[MARSHALL77]

Marshall entered a Shocker program that went to the Sweet 16 in 2006 and was an AP Top 10 team at one point in 2007. There was nothing to rebuild..........

Signed,

Reality.



The future of MU basketball....... that's what this thread is about, and Dan is failing as the builder.

And all Greg Marshall has accomplished is to keep it moving forward. Was watching the Rockets and Knicks ( watched part not all) game last night , the tv guys started talking about Greg Marshall and how he has built the Shockers into a top flight program. He has had a couple of other opportunities put in front of him in the last few years but elected to stay where he is.

The Herd program needs someone who is not older than me coaching. What Hamrick saw is still something I can not answer or what he thought he saw is far from there (and realizing Dan was not his first choice). I have known Dan since his days as a player , was Mike's manager for two years , has nothing to do with not liking him , but all to do with what is going to get this program in pretty weak one bid conference at least to the point we can return to the NCAA's before I am not able to watch hoops and realize its Marshall playing in the dance.

Dan just does not seem like he is all that interested in doing what is needed to elevate the program , as said a WV All-star team is not going to go too far.

 

[Herd Fever]

Well, whether he took his SAT/ACT again, took a class over the Summer, or straightened something up in his transcript......Last Spring he was ineligible at Marshall and was offered the opportunity to Prop.....Fact.

Here is Fact, Marshall doesnt rule someone Ineligible, the NCAA does. Obviously he did what he needed to do to get eligible. This was Marshall lost point blank

 

[houston_herd_fan]

Well, I have read a bunch about who is Dan and his coaches recruiting, that they are not name players. I know little about B-ball other than enjoy watching.

Read any different things

No big star recruits (and others at our level getting them)
Have not been relevent in B-ball in decades
Location
dollars for perks
Recruiting his system players
Does not recruit himself relies on his asst coaches
Recruiting is a crap shoot in b-ball due to the number of scollies each year
Age
etc and etc.

My take is even though I am over 1200 miles away, I am more excited about B-ball than I have in years. Looking at other programs that have picked up from obscurity, we did not see the starting process. we only saw the end result in the NIT/NCAA tourneys. In football we say give a new couch 3-4 years to get their players in, with B-bal at least that many years, or posibly more due to such a small number of scollies avaliable.

If I was a decently rated recruit and was deciding btwn the Belmonts of the world and Marshall, I might be wondering who Marshall was from a b-ball perspective. Most would know about football. But gotta remember most of the smaller schools focus on one sport, so a recruit is thinking they are a football school. think I would prefer a b-ball school. Taking lower level kids that look to have talent and coach them up. Those with a team first mentality and actual students does not sound like a bad thing to try. If it works then in a few years when we get some recognition, will have a few of those higher rated recruits seriously considering Marshall. Then with a good team mentality and 1 or 2 of the top end recruits puts us over the top and might be able to be relevent in the NCAA's as several smaller schools have done over the last 5-10 years. Not trying to downgrade current recruits and players, they will be the basis of the progression. Sorry to the grammer nazi's, I can't type or spell very well and no spell check here LOL.