Basketball teams can turn around within 2 recruiting classes.
This is his Third class and once again the its a below average class with no star power
This is his Third class and once again the its a below average class with no star power
Does D'Antoni have the dedication to recruit well?
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There's no defense on this roster.
Posters are falling Kelly a lady defender but at least he hit the boards and occasionally altered or blocked shots.
Elmore and Burke are the only guards who can move fast enough to defend, and Burks gets in foul trouble...... and he may not be eligible anyways!
Ryan Taylor at 6'5 in shoes can't guard the post against legit CUSA big men without catching fouls either.
So who comes in? Nobody. He will bring in another guard and play EVEN SMALLER ball..... and then wonder why MU can't stop anyone.
The dumbest thing Dan has done is publicly state he didn't want to recruit JUCOs and instead "build the program correctly"..... well, JUCO talent provides instant-impact players and at a time where powerhouse teams like U.K. And Arizona are diving into JUCO recruiting..... you have you ask yourself how absolutely Stupid is it for the HC at Marshall University to swear off junior college recruiting
I think that was his way of hiding the fact that he has zero connections to the JUCO basketball community. Like the nerd standing outside the Prom and saying "I didn't want to go anyways!"
Posters are falling Kelly a lady defender but at least he hit the boards and occasionally altered or blocked shots.
Elmore and Burke are the only guards who can move fast enough to defend, and Burks gets in foul trouble...... and he may not be eligible anyways!
Ryan Taylor at 6'5 in shoes can't guard the post against legit CUSA big men without catching fouls either.
So who comes in? Nobody. He will bring in another guard and play EVEN SMALLER ball..... and then wonder why MU can't stop anyone.
The dumbest thing Dan has done is publicly state he didn't want to recruit JUCOs and instead "build the program correctly"..... well, JUCO talent provides instant-impact players and at a time where powerhouse teams like U.K. And Arizona are diving into JUCO recruiting..... you have you ask yourself how absolutely Stupid is it for the HC at Marshall University to swear off junior college recruiting
I think that was his way of hiding the fact that he has zero connections to the JUCO basketball community. Like the nerd standing outside the Prom and saying "I didn't want to go anyways!"
Here's my question, can Huggins quit drinking long enough to lose the title of the "winningest coach with the least amount of actual achievements"?
wvu basketball is at 82% and wvu football is at 80% and the graduation rates only factor in scholarship athletes, so football doesn't have a roster of more than 100 kids.
Ya know, for all the doom and gloom in this thread we are picked to finish 4th in the conference - ahead of solid programs like ODU, UTEP and La Tech.
Dan must be doing SOME things right, right?
http://conferenceusa.com/news/2016/10/6/MBK_1006161210.aspx
Dan must be doing SOME things right, right?
http://conferenceusa.com/news/2016/10/6/MBK_1006161210.aspx
R U willing to give him time like Wichita State gave Greg Marshall? Took him FOUR YEARS to get them to the NIT Championship crown.
HerdZilla22 (Sweeney in Charlotte)
I hope Dan succeeds beyond anything we can imagine. Just not seeing him bring in guys that can solidify the program as being a force in 2-3 years; unless he can coach them up like no one has ever witnessed. Hope I am dead wrong
As for KeatonsCorner's possible "coaching replacements" for MU, I would say that based on his progression in a brief coaching tenure, Darrius Nichols, a former WVU player, is probably on tract to end up back in Morganhole in the not too distant future. Look, he played for Huggins who is about 63 or 64, way overweight with some apparent heart issues. Huggs contracted for another 5 or 6 years or so then slated for a PR/fund raising post. Billy Hahn, long time assistant and a good recruiter, also up in years and could retire soon. So if Florida and Nichols, under head coach White who was at LA Tech, have sustained success, I could well see that Nichols will be with Huggs as Assoc. Head Coach in a few years, and then slides into head job when Huggs hangs it up.
As for DD, my major concern is that he is SOON going to have to recruit one or more, some, FRONT Court players with real TALENT. Kelly is gone and so is Taylor after this season, and NO ONE, on current squad or in upcoming recruiting class, is near as talented or ready to contribute big time to the program. We have a lot of role type forwards, or projects, Penava, Thompson, Thinemann, Williams, the kid now at Hargrave, Bledsoe, etc., etc., but we need a instant dose of ready to play front court talent, after this season, IMO. And, personally, I don't care if Danny D. and Coach Cline find it in the form of graduate transfers, like Kelly, or a quality talent from the JUCO ranks: Just FIND IT!!
Final comment: If you want an example of contrasting coaching philosophies, I suggest Herd fans keep an eye on the program of one our former league colleagues and heated rivals: East Tennessee State. Last year, they brought in a career assistant, Steve Forbes, from Greg Marshall's Wichita St. staff as their head coach. Forbes brought in Jucos and transfer players from schools like Indiana, Wichita State, etc. His team proceeded to win 24 games, competed for So Con. championship, and in the post season tournament in Las Vegas, they beat LA. Tech of CUSA!! Also, did not appear to have any significant off court issues, as of to date. So I would say watch ETSU, and, as some have mentioned, Kevin Keatts's UNC Wilmington program. It just could be that these programs, as well as our own program, will find success on the hardwoods, including sustained winning seasons and post season appearances, using very divergent coaching and recruiting philosophies!!! And who is to say one way is better than the other? Or as ole Chairman Mao would say, "let a hundred flowers bloom".
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Good, informative post oldeherd. I leave the recruiting piece to DD & his staff...and to be honest I don't research a lot of basketball talent (HS or college) looking for a new home. I am a good high school baseball coach with "some" knowledge of coaching basketball. I don't swim in unknown waters like A LOT OF ARM CHAIR COACHES THAT POST HERE DO. With all the high school & college coaches that DD knows across America...I would think he & his staff are talking to them to determine if they have players that would desire to matriculate at MARSHALL.
I think this is going to be an interesting year for HERD Hoops. WINNING creates awareness. It is paramount that Marshall plays into March (NCAA or NIT)....players want to play tournament ball.
WIN & THEY WILL COME.......Kevin Cosner
HerdZilla22 In Charlotte
What does Huggins have to do with anything about our mediocre basketball program??
Gregg Marshall was a proven coach before he got to Wichita State........PROVEN.
Also Witchita State doesn't have a football program to support.
I know you have the retention of a goldfish, but the thread started with a wvu fan questioning our coach. Therefore, a Marshall fan questioning their coach would be an appropriate line of commenting.
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DUNCE Corner...PLEASE provide your Coaching record and NAME so we can Google you to see how well you have recruited to win all the games in your resume.....
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Greg Marshall Bio: Currently entering his 9th season with the Shockers....Coached at Winthrop University (Big South) for 9 seasons...Spent two years as an assistant at Randolph-Macon (Va), his alma mater; no mention of playing college basketball....member of SAE frat; got his master's degree Sport Management (Univ of Richmond). Greg played high school basketball (6'2" 145 lb guard at Cave Spring High School, Roanoke, Va).;.....Assistant coach, one year at Belmont-Abbey (NC). Greg Marshall served as an Assistant @ MARSHALL Univ (1996-98).
Greg spent eight years coaching under legend, John Kreese @ College of Charleston (1988--1996)....Marshall became head coach at Winthrop Univ. (Rock Hill, SC) in 1998-99---molding the Eagles to become a mid-major power house and to 7 NCAA appearances. He interviewed at NC State (2007)---did not win the basketball job. (NOTE: Big Mistake--Wolfpack President & AD).
Marshall accepted the offer from Wichita State, April 14, 2007. It took Marshall four (4) years to get the Shockers to a NIT Championship against Alabama. In 2014---he coached the Shockers (35-0) to a Final Four appearance, losing to Kentucky 78--76.
I agree, Greg Marshall has DEVELOPED into a heck of a college basketball coach....but it took him time. I know Greg well...I was introduced to him years ago by Dan D'Antoni at the Myrtle Beach Beach Ball Classic when Greg served at Marshall University. Dan D'Antoni founded the Beach Ball Classic in 1981, an 8-team affair played at Socastee HS...now the Myrtle Convention Center hosts the national tournament.
Greg Marshall signed a 7-year 3.3 million contract extension , April 6, 2015......Wichita State does not play football since their plane crash about the same time as The 75 lost their lives.
Dan D'Antoni has over 500 high school victories, coaching for 30 years at Socastee HS, Myrtle Beach, SC. (1975--2005). He made it to the final cut (Bullets) after his Marshall career. Dan & brother, Mike are in Marshall's Basketball Hall of Fame. The Summer of 2005, he joined younger brother Mike with the Phoenix Sun....also served as an assistant coach with the NY Knicks & LA Lakers. Dan served as HEAD COACH for the Lakers NBA Summer League. On April 24, 2014...he came home to Marshall University after 43 years----where Dan served as Head JV Coach in 1970-70, coaching younger brother Mike.
For Pete's Sake Folks....IT TAKES TIME TO RE-BUILD a basketball ball program in Huntington that has been a Dumpster Fire for years. Dan & his staff can recruit......even on his $400,000 salary......Greg Marshall makes $3.3 million at a non-football playing school.
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HerdZilla22
When your main competitor on the recruiting trail for your players is LONGWOOD COLLEGE, then...no..... you aren't doing well at recruiting
If Kelly and Elmore didn't fall into Dan's lap, he probably doesn't win 10 games last season. Neither were kids he recruited.
If Kelly and Elmore didn't fall into Dan's lap, he probably doesn't win 10 games last season. Neither were kids he recruited.
Keaton - don't slight Longwood they became a University on July 1, 2002. That makes a huge difference when recruiting the guys they are also going after - now you have 2 universities involved vs 1 university and 1 college.
We have West and don't need Langley who was just another back up plan if we didn't get West. West was the #1 PG target. You need to research better before posting.
And there it is, a WVU troll.
Thompson and Mijovic are fine in the 5 position in the system, and Thompson is a good defender and rebounder, while Mijovic provides minutes as a decent backup. Penava just needs to put on weight so that he quits looking like an Auschwitz survivor then he will be fine as a backup. Nikolic could turn into a very good player if his shooting improves, and Robinette isn't slow and he has above average athleticism for the position he will play in our system.
Some of you guys are freaking ignorant. Every WV recruit we have offered that has committed to the program is certainly a D1 caliber recruit based on their skillsets and how they fit into our system. We are a little light in the frontcourt right now, but we will be a pretty good team in the 2016-2017 season.
MU last played in the NCAAs three decades ago. Depending on which guide you read we are about 9th longest drought among teams that have ever played in it. MU last played in the NIT half a decade ago. And, yes, every guide and website says we will be "pretty good", meaning 4th or 5th in our one-bid league. NIT road team or offered a slot in one of those pay to play deals.
I'm tired of pretty good.
Speaking of Dana Altman - well I did mention him in a response to this thread.....
Odds to win the Dance - yep Altman and the Ducks are one of the favorites and touted as possibly the best bet of all. A lot of talent on this team that made the Elite 8 last year.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...7-college-basketball-championship-odds-100716
Odds to win the Dance - yep Altman and the Ducks are one of the favorites and touted as possibly the best bet of all. A lot of talent on this team that made the Elite 8 last year.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...7-college-basketball-championship-odds-100716
To say Robinette is an above average athlete is to admit you haven't seen him move before or that you simply don't acknowledge reality
He's 6'7 270+ pounds and went to prep school at Harvgrave because he couldn't get his grades and his conditioning in order
He's 6'7 270+ pounds and went to prep school at Harvgrave because he couldn't get his grades and his conditioning in order
I'm at practice nearly everyday. I love what I see. We are much quicker and we shoot better than last year. Someone mentioned Adjin's weight. I was talking to him last night and asked him what he weighed when he came in the door at MU. He said 184 and now at 215. He agrees he has a long way to go but he's getting there. Aleksa and Milan are similar in different ways. While Aleksa is bulking up, Milan has totally changed his body since coming. I was also talking to him last night. He is 30 pounds lighter then when he came but he has gained a lot of muscle. If we get Bennett and Robinette on the floor you will see 2 beefed up guys that do NOT play with their backs to the basket. They shoot the 3's and run the floor very well.
Carolinazilla if he wasn't family you would be questioning the recruiting as well. As for the old "it takes time" is BS. Seems as if Marshall always needs time. If he can't get it done in this year or next (his fourth) with his WV HS All Star team then it's time to move away from the "Favorite Son" mentality and get a coach to recruit the talent to get us back to respectability.
What's "getting it done" to you? We're supposed to be pretty good this year according to the media.
Getting it done is making, at least, the NIT, three out of four years on a consistent basis. Getting it done is being known nationally. Getting it done is playing in games that have meaning and impact. Getting it done is making the NCAAs, winning a game or two, getting seeded higher than 14th or 15th, and being significant enough that we don't get sent to Boise or Salt Lake City. Getting it done is talking about if a 9K seat arena, with more than 2K of those bleacher, is enough. Getting it done is building a fanbase that gets games on radio statewide and multiple games on TV. Getting it done is playing regional teams of note non-conference, on a h-h basis and going to significant pre-season tournament in resort places. Getting it done is when (not if) realignment comes again, not having to miss out on a conf. deal because of basketball.
"Pretty good", which means 4th or 5th in a one-bid league is not "getting it done".
"Pretty good", which means 4th or 5th in a one-bid league is not "getting it done".
Not sure how long you've been a Marshall fan......But taking into account our history, budget, facilities, academic offerings, and location.....You need to temper your expectations.
While all of these are goals of Dan's, to expect us to meet those on a year in year out basis is setting yourself up for disappointment.
I'm all for aiming high but your measurements for "getting it done" at Marshall are ridiculous.
FYI.....We went from cellar dweller to Tied for 3rd in the conference last year.....Thanks for the support though.
No cocky you need to temper your expectations. We have been saddled with mediocrity for so long it has become the norm and newcomers like yourself have no idea what it could or should be.
I've been a Marshall fan for life, and I am old.
Our history is grand, our budget is getting better, our facilities are nice, our academic offerings are magnificient, and Huntington is a great place, still, to live or to go to school.
You sound like a Spamite. The late John Dickensheets who had a non-lapdog radio show over in Charleston called Crap-ridi's show the "Statewide Excuse Line" because as every August and October of "usens is gonna win that there national champeeeenship" was met with November and January 's cold douche of reality, Crap-ridi who had been fanning the flames of the delusion would explain why losing to Rutgers or St. Bonaventure was really inevitable.
"Some see things as they are and ask why. I see things as they should be and ask why not." Robert Kennedy.
So expecting out of the 351 Div I programs to be, some of the time, among the 35% to go to the NCAA or NIT, E V E R is too much to ask.
So what is "getting it done" to you? Win 15 or so games (in a football league where at least 1/3rd of the conference makes only a token effort at basketball and where you vaunted school "history" includes several schools that did not exist 40 years ago and several that have never been to the NCAAs) and finish 4th or 5th, cash a few checks playing Pitt or Ohio State or Virginia Tech, make up for those losses with scrubolas out of the Big South or MEAC, and then argue every March if we should pay to play in nothing tournaments that only degenerate gamblers care about?
Pass. I want to play for championships. It is what we do.
How exactly am I a newcomer???
I've been attending Marshall basketball and football since the late 60's. I think I have a pretty good perspective.
I have no interest in mediocrity but I also understand the limitations with which we are faced......
Despite that, I think we should compete for a conference championship every year. Which is what we did last year.
This is sarcasm right?
Our history is grand.....Hardly.
Our Budget is getting better......Where?
Our facilities are nice......Our basketball practice facility hasn't had a single improvement other than a coat of paint (Wrong color green) and new rims.
Our academic offerings are......magnificent? I'll ignore the fact that you misspelled the word and just say our offerings are "fine" among small state schools.
Huntington is a great place.......I'll leave that one alone, it's my hometown and I still love it but..........
I expect to compete for championships every year as well.....Something people seem not to realize, we did last year!
I've also put my money where my mouth is since 1985.....How about you?
