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This is literally just fiction. Before any of those happened slavery was illegal in England proper, Russia, China (de jure though to be fair not de facto), India, Japan, and various smaller European kingdoms.
Noticed there aren't any African nations on that list . . . Just sayin'.This is literally just fiction. Before any of those happened slavery was illegal in England proper, Russia, China (de jure though to be fair not de facto), India, Japan, and various smaller European kingdoms.
America was pretty middle of the road when it came to slavery. We weren’t the worst (the Caribbean or South America were way worse) not the best (places that didn’t have it anyway.) We abolished it later than a lot of the western world but there are some unique factors at play there, like that we were the part of the western world that had ever had that many anyway. And we abolished before (sometimes WAY before), as you alluded to, most of Africa.Noticed there aren't any African nations on that list . . . Just sayin'.
The serfs in Russia weren't freed until 1861.This is literally just fiction. Before any of those happened slavery was illegal in England proper, Russia, China (de jure though to be fair not de facto), India, Japan, and various smaller European kingdoms.
Yeah you can make the argument that serfs were close enough to slavery that you can call it that, though given the choice I would be a serf over a slave.The serfs in Russia weren't freed until 1861.
England outlawed slavery in England proper in 1772, but the problem was it was never "legal" to begin with, so the situation is a bit murkier. The coal slaves in Scotland weren't freed until 1799, which according to the Act of Union makes it the same place in regards to legal matters. They didn't free slaves in Canada (or other outlying territories) until 1833.
How so?But American slavery impacted America a lot more than slavery in any other country, which is why we focus on it.
Are you asking how American slavery is more relevant to American history than that of other countries?How so?
I wish liberals would stop blaming me for what happend hundreds of years ago and acting like what is in the moment now was in the moment hundreds of years ago.I wish the African people had not enslaved their own and sold them into slavery.
Look at this way, if you were the ancestor of a slave in America wouldn't you kind of be glad they were a slave here? If not, you would be swatting flies and looking for your next meal in Africa.Yeah you can make the argument that serfs were close enough to slavery that you can call it that, though given the choice I would be a serf over a slave.
Because we have professional race baiters here is why. That is exactly why. What good does it do for them if it goes away or people move on? Seriously.Are you asking how American slavery is more relevant to American history than that of other countries?
Yeah, and if not for the Holocaust a lot of Jewish people wouldn’t have fled to the US either. And I’m sure some couples met in concentration camps and didn’t end up dead, and their kids wouldnt exist without the Holocaust, so they ought to be thankful for it. You know, if we’re having a contest for the most asinine point possible.Look at this way, if you were the ancestor of a slave in America wouldn't you kind of be glad they were a slave here? If not, you would be swatting flies and looking for your next meal in Africa.
Look at the positives.
Slavery was deeply questioned and in many places around the world abolished before the American Revolution, so I think everyone is wrong here.
Slavery was deeply questioned and in many places around the world abolished before the American Revolution, so I think everyone is wrong here.
We’re not the worst.Yet it is still being practiced today. Please explain that...
technically, anyone here that is a ancestor of a slave would not even exist so......maybe they owe ??Look at this way, if you were the ancestor of a slave in America wouldn't you kind of be glad they were a slave here? If not, you would be swatting flies and looking for your next meal in Africa.
Look at the positives.
why do white suburban liberals feel the need to stir the race debate all the time?Yeah, and if not for the Holocaust a lot of Jewish people wouldn’t have fled to the US either. And I’m sure some couples met in concentration camps and didn’t end up dead, and their kids wouldnt exist without the Holocaust, so they ought to be thankful for it. You know, if we’re having a contest for the most asinine point possible.
Bottom line, after becoming a nation (when slavery was a global condition) it didn't take that long in historical terms to abolish it, and our nation fought a civil war over it. Now, of course it took almost another 100 years to work through and get rid of all the jim crow laws that racist democrats imposed across the south.America was pretty middle of the road when it came to slavery. We weren’t the worst (the Caribbean or South America were way worse) not the best (places that didn’t have it anyway.) We abolished it later than a lot of the western world but there are some unique factors at play there, like that we were the part of the western world that had ever had that many anyway. And we abolished before (sometimes WAY before), as you alluded to, most of Africa.
But American slavery impacted America a lot more than slavery in any other country, which is why we focus on it.
Is having to fight a civil war to get rid of slavery a positive in your view?Bottom line, after becoming a nation (when slavery was a global condition) it didn't take that long in historical terms to abolish it, and our nation fought a civil war over it. Now, of course it took almost another 100 years to work through and get rid of all the jim crow laws that racist democrats imposed across the south.
Is having to fight a civil war to get rid of slavery a positive in your view?
19MU88 is the one that said we fought a civil war over it.There were multiple issues including slavery. Broader view....
Is having to fight a civil war to get rid of slavery a positive in your view?
I thought you had in the past as well. Sorrynif that is not the case.19MU88 is the one that said we fought a civil war over it.
What I’ve said many times is that asking what the North thought the war was about is a waste of time. They didn’t start the war, the south did by seceding. For the north the point was to keep the union intact.I thought you had in the past as well. Sorrynif that is not the case.
I still believe slavery as an American institution was on its way out in a matter of time for a variety of reasons. And much like today the wars were fought for different reasons between the politicians and the combatants...☹️
Separate reply for a separate topic; I’m not sure why people think slavery was on its way out. Slave numbers were at all time highs at the outbreak of the civil war. Industrial tools like the cotton gin that reduced manual labor hadn’t dampened the demand for slavery, it had exploded it. Turns out one slave running a gin could make you a lot more money than one slave doing it by hand.I thought you had in the past as well. Sorrynif that is not the case.
I still believe slavery as an American institution was on its way out in a matter of time for a variety of reasons. And much like today the wars were fought for different reasons between the politicians and the combatants...☹️
This has been discussed on here before. There is plenty of writing on this topic. Specific example: There is a whole section devoted to this topic in the book "creature from Jekyl island" looking at the writings from plantation owners during that time (sourced: library of Congress). Many were moving to mechanized means of cotton harvesting and recognized slavery's time was coming to an end.So yeah, I’ve seen people say they think it was on its way out, and we can never really know for sure, but I don’t know what evidence there is that it was going to be gone any time soon.
Mechanized but not automated. Why wouldn’t they just keep using slaves to run the machines like they did the cotton gin?This has been discussed on here before. There is plenty of writing on this topic. Specific example: There is a whole section devoted to this topic in the book "creature from Jekyl island" looking at the writings from plantation owners during that time (sourced: library of Congress). Many were moving to mechanized means of cotton harvesting and recognized slavery's time was coming to an end.
slavery likely would have ended in the 1870s or 1880's.Mechanized but not automated. Why wouldn’t they just keep using slaves to run the machines like they did the cotton gin?
Because, as you stated earlier in this thread, slavery was largely ending around the world....Why wouldn’t they just keep using slaves
Exactly.Because, as you stated earlier in this thread, slavery was largely ending around the world....
I've also made the assertion that the straw that broke the camel's back in driving the south to civil war/secession was the northern banks limiting the Souths trade with europe and the US navy blocking the trading routes of ships leaving southern ports. As most wars, this was a war of economics/trade before it was a war of slavery.
Maybe. The closest thing we have to compare it to would be Brazil, who ended slavery in 1888. But there are some important differences. Brazil had a much larger tradition of manumission, so there were a lot of free black people around (about 3/4 of the black and mulatto population was free.)slavery likely would have ended in the 1870s or 1880's.
The straw that broke the camel’s back was Lincoln getting elected. There’s a direct cause-effect between that election and South Carolina seceding. Below are some excerpts and I’m really not sure how anyone can read what the seceding state outright said its reason for leaving the union was and still think it wasn’t slavery.Because, as you stated earlier in this thread, slavery was largely ending around the world....
I've also made the assertion that the straw that broke the camel's back in driving the south to civil war/secession was the northern banks limiting the Souths trade with europe and the US navy blocking the trading routes of ships leaving southern ports. As most wars, this was a war of economics/trade before it was a war of slavery.
A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery.
Look at this way, if you were the ancestor of a slave in America wouldn't you kind of be glad they were a slave here? If not, you would be swatting flies and looking for your next meal in Africa.
Look at the positives.