GREEN IS NOT THE ANSWER

[dherd]

SORRY, BUT HE DOES NOT HAVE IT.
I DIDNT THINK HE HAD IT LAST YEAR AND I DONT THINK HE HAS IT THIS YEAR.
AND I DONT THINK HE IS GOING TO HAVE IT NEXT YEAR.
DOES NOT HAVE THE FOCUS OR PRESENCE DOES NOT RALLY THE TEAM, NOT A GAMER.

 

[wvkeeper(HN)]

I AGREE WITH DHERD

 

[Marine03]

ME AS WELL

 

[Herdfan1986]

Doesn’t matter how we feel this is a yearly occurrence under Doc. Sometime this week he’ll come out and talk about how Green is the man and the future. Green will look horrible against Cincinnati and “maybe” squeak a Half decent game against Ohio before looking elite against a sorry conference USA schedule.. rinse and repeat next year! That’s a quick sum up of the Holliday era

 

[Marine03]

Doesn’t matter how we feel this is a yearly occurrence under Doc. Sometime this week he’ll come out and talk about how Green is the man and the future. Green will look horrible against Cincinnati and “maybe” squeak a Half decent game against Ohio before looking elite against a sorry conference USA schedule.. rinse and repeat next year! That’s a quick sum up of the Holliday era

@WVUtotheBig12 doc bashing! You calling him out as well?

 

[Bankerreturns]

We have had above average QB play in three of Doc's 10 years. One of those years was wasted by having the worst DC in college football. Doc's recruiting weakness seems to be recognizing talent at the QB position.

Cato is the only QB that would have had a shot at starting for any of the Pruett teams and that shot would have only been after Hill got injured.

 

[ATOesMU]

Don’t like calling out individual players, but there is just no sense of urgency, or even energy, in Green’s play - he doesn’t “play big” if that makes sense. He has a good arm, but needs to learn to kick it up a couple of levels to fulfill his potential and make this HIS team, imho. I think he can, and hope he will. Guess I am looking for him to develop a “command presence” on the field.

 

[mubaseballking]

While I agree, who else on the roster can step up at the moment?

 

[ATOesMU]

Actually, baseballking, it’s up to Isaiah to step up.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Boys, the OL lost this game. They got manhandled from mid Q2 on. No time for medium or long passing routes to develop and no lanes for the backs to run. IG three the one poor pass but and he still had two Boise guys breathing down on him.
He needs to improve but the OL is the reason we lost and the fact we played not to lose on offense in the second half.
The Boise staff made great adjustments at halftime. Our staff, not so much. Jmo

 

[herdfan429]

Boys, the OL lost this game. They got manhandled from mid Q2 on. No time for medium or long passing routes to develop and no lanes for the backs to run. IG three the one poor pass but and he still had two Boise guys breathing down on him.
He needs to improve but the OL is the reason we lost and the fact we played not to lose on offense in the second half.
The Boise staff made great adjustments at halftime. Our staff, not so much. Jmo

Which is the story of docs tenure

 

[Chevy1]

Did we run a QB or any other type draw? Seems their D line was getting to Green pretty regular...a draw can slow them down. IMO, they didn't defend Gains running that well....

 

[bbneutralfan]

Green does not seem to bring any enthusiasm onto the field. He does not create any excitement. Hell let Xavier Gaines run the show. Not afraid to run/catch/pass and more of an overall athlete IMO.

 

[Baseball Rulez]

Man, you guys are really harsh on QB’s. I’m not taking this out on Green at all. Our playcalling would not put any QB in a position to do anything substantive on offense. 3-yard screens every play.

Additionally, I love how everyone has amnesia about Cato. He got benched halfway through his freshman year (a move that, if I remember correctly, everyone liked). We didn’t make a bowl game his sophomore year. Only until his junior & senior year did he start really becoming a legendary QB. I bet if I looked back through this message board, I could find some pretty hilarious takes about him.

 

[HubbMU]

The Boise staff made great adjustments at halftime. Our staff, not so much. Jmo

Par for the course.

 

[dherd]

We have the best team we've had in 20 yrs.
Great team speed, very good defensive coordinator good offensive scheme, we would have won that game with a better QB.
QB is the only weak position. Give the others a shot. Someone may light a fire. Green will not.

 

[Baseball Rulez]

We have the best team we've had in 20 yrs.
Great team speed, very good defensive coordinator good offensive scheme, we would have won that game with a better QB.
QB is the only weak position. Give the others a shot. Someone may light a fire. Green will not.

Oh wow, you must be really stupid.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Its so refreshing to know all the solutions to coaching and making MU into an Alabama...lies in the comments of an obscure fan website.

 

[herdalicious]

FIRE DOC BENCH GREEN BOOT CHRIS JACKSON FROM THE PROGRAM AND SLAP HIS MOM BURN THE VILLAGE DROWN THE CHILDREN OH MY GODDDDD WE COVERED THE SPREAD

 

[RhinoD]

Green did not have a good second half... But as was pointed out above, our O-line was getting worked every play.

What has not been pointed out is how bad our receiver group is. Without Obialo (and Gammage for some reason) we have Gaines and a bunch of 5'9 slot guys with questionable hands. No seperation, no big play ability. Which is a big reason all the routes were 3-yard garbage to the boundary.

 

[JudgeDD]

"GREEN IS NOT THE ANSWER..."

Well, I think that depends on the question. Is he the reincarnation of Pennington/Leftwich/Cato? Is he an All-American QB? An All-CUSA QB? Is he an inspirational leader of the team, or even just the offense? He's still young, but the early call would be "no" to all.

But the more relevant question might be "DOES GREEN GIVE MARSHALL THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN THIS SEASON?" Maybe.

AT may have a stronger command of the offense. He definitely makes the zone read better but that bar is pretty low since Green is practically illiterate. But Thomson has been given plenty of opportunities to win the job and he didn't. X? The freshman? Gaines likely knows about five plays from the QB position. And Wells is an unknown. It's easy to call for someone who flashes some excitement or reportedly shows some potential in camp, but those moves rarely work well. The backup taking the starter's place works when the backup wins the position, not when the starter loses it.

I've not been one to sing his praises, but like it or not, Green may just be the answer...for now.

 

[redsfan5590]

Man, you guys are really harsh on QB’s. I’m not taking this out on Green at all. Our playcalling would not put any QB in a position to do anything substantive on offense. 3-yard screens every play.

Additionally, I love how everyone has amnesia about Cato. He got benched halfway through his freshman year (a move that, if I remember correctly, everyone liked). We didn’t make a bowl game his sophomore year. Only until his junior & senior year did he start really becoming a legendary QB. I bet if I looked back through this message board, I could find some pretty hilarious takes about him.

What’s your excuse for the two touchdowns he missed because he under threw the ball by 10 yards? One ended in a pick and sealed the game for Boise.

O-Line wasn’t great. But even when they gave him time he didn’t deliver. That tells me, average QB play wins us that game.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Call Doc and tell him to start AT. Call Hamrick, tell him to fire Doc since he won’t start AT.

If AT is clearly better, don’t you think he would be starting?

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Call Doc and tell him to start AT. Call Hamrick, tell him to fire Doc since he won’t start AT.

If AT is clearly better, don’t you think he would be starting?

Shhhh...stop with the common sense.
There's a reason why some of these posters are in their 60's and have never coached D1.

 

[Herdfan1986]

FIRE DOC BENCH GREEN BOOT CHRIS JACKSON FROM THE PROGRAM AND SLAP HIS MOM BURN THE VILLAGE DROWN THE CHILDREN OH MY GODDDDD WE COVERED THE SPREAD

So now if we cover the spread that’s some sort of morale victory??? You’re what’s wrong with the program, you’re fine with a mediocre program.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Whose calling Doc to start AT?

Josh, can you post Docs number so these guys can give him a call?

 

[redsfan5590]

Call Doc and tell him to start AT. Call Hamrick, tell him to fire Doc since he won’t start AT.

If AT is clearly better, don’t you think he would be starting?

This response is peak Marshall fan.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

This response is peak Marshall fan.

What do you guys suggest? Clearly IG has some issues but anyone that knows football knows if you don’t control the LOS, you don’t have much of a chance to win.

 

[i am herdman]

Man, you guys are really harsh on QB’s. I’m not taking this out on Green at all. Our playcalling would not put any QB in a position to do anything substantive on offense. 3-yard screens every play.

Additionally, I love how everyone has amnesia about Cato. He got benched halfway through his freshman year (a move that, if I remember correctly, everyone liked). We didn’t make a bowl game his sophomore year. Only until his junior & senior year did he start really becoming a legendary QB. I bet if I looked back through this message board, I could find some pretty hilarious takes about him.

Wait until next year....yep the story of marshall football

 

[i am herdman]

"GREEN IS NOT THE ANSWER..."

Well, I think that depends on the question. Is he the reincarnation of Pennington/Leftwich/Cato? Is he an All-American QB? An All-CUSA QB? Is he an inspirational leader of the team, or even just the offense? He's still young, but the early call would be "no" to all.

But the more relevant question might be "DOES GREEN GIVE MARSHALL THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN THIS SEASON?" Maybe.

AT may have a stronger command of the offense. He definitely makes the zone read better but that bar is pretty low since Green is practically illiterate. But Thomson has been given plenty of opportunities to win the job and he didn't. X? The freshman? Gaines likely knows about five plays from the QB position. And Wells is an unknown. It's easy to call for someone who flashes some excitement or reportedly shows some potential in camp, but those moves rarely work well. The backup taking the starter's place works when the backup wins the position, not when the starter loses it.

I've not been one to sing his praises, but like it or not, Green may just be the answer...for now.

If you are illiterate how do you run the read option?

 

[JudgeDD]

If you are illiterate how do you run the read option?

Exactly my point.

 

[i am herdman]

Exactly my point.

I was trying to make a funny like if you can't "read" how do run the "read" option, but apparently at Marshall there really is that fine line between humor and reality.

 

[JudgeDD]

I was trying to make a funny like if you can't "read" how do run the "read" option....

So was I.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

We have the best team we've had in 20 yrs.

No troll. Where are you getting that? What has this roster of players accomplished anything to warrant that?

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Green is practically illiterate

Wait? What? He's practically illiterate. If you're going to charge that someone is illiterate please explain how you know that to be true. We can criticize play on the field, but let's not personally attack players.

 

[i am herdman]

We need clarification. We have had players in sports at Marshall that actually can''t read or speak English.

 

[JudgeDD]

Wait? What? He's practically illiterate. If you're going to charge that someone is illiterate please explain how you know that to be true. We can criticize play on the field, but let's not personally attack players.

Sorry. I thought the illiterate/zone-read inference was obvious. I agree with, and often defend, your last statement vehemently. My comment was meant to be critical of Green's ability to read the zone read, and that alone. Perhaps I was more cryptic than clever.

 

[mlblack16.]

Sorry. I thought the illiterate/zone-read inference was obvious. I agree with, and often defend, your last statement vehemently. My comment was meant to be critical of Green's ability to read the zone read, and that alone. Perhaps I was more cryptic than clever.

No, you just caught Bleeds off guard. He had probably just finished arguing with the sunshine pumpers on the premium board that we are awful on offense right now.

 

[MUtim07]

Bleeds use to be one of the biggest sunshine pumpers around, so at least that gives me hope that anyone can eventually see the real light.

Also, Judge, I thought your “reading” comment was very clever. You are the last one whom I would ever suspect of trying to attack a player personally. Everyone who follows the herd and IG has to see that he doesn’t like to run the football.

 

[dherd]

No troll. Where are you getting that? What has this roster of players accomplished anything to warrant that?

WE HAVE THE BEST TEAM WE'VE HAD SINCE PRUITT, FASTEST, DEEPEST, BEST DC & OC'S BEST BACKS
BEST RECEIVERS BEST OL WE ARE BETTER AT EVERY POSITION EXCEPT 1 QB IS ONLY AVERAGE AT BEST.

BOISE HAS A HELL OF A FOOTBALL TEAM - WE HELD THEM TO 14 AT THEIR PLACE AND COULD EASILY HAVE WON THE GAME.

WE HAVE A VERY GOOD TEAM WE JUST NEED TO GET BETTER AT QB.