The Joan Improvements

[HerdFan73]

I've heard enough PA guys over years to know that they can get the crowd pumped and lead the way in making the game day experience a positive one. PA guy is vastly different from on field ramblings and a would be DJ, who the students don't even pay attention to.

I didn’t mind the DJ idea if he woulda been any good.

I swear they coulda stuck me in there with a few Jock Jams cds and I coulda got people more riled up.

 

[HerdFan73]

The PA announcer is not the same as the Play-by-Play guy. Part of the PA Announcer's job is to be the stadium hype man.

Im not commenting on the play-by-play guy. I think Steve is the best in the business.

I’m saying we want a stadium hype man. Ok. well instead of asking our PA announcer, whomever it’s been all these years , to act out of character we just brought in an ACTUAL stadium hype man. And people thought it was dumb.

My point is, why would people be all about the PA guy doing it, when they did they hated Joe Toy doing it. Who presumably would have done it much better? (I’m all for anyway we can get the crowd engaged, btw)

Fact of the matter is, we need quality football against opponents we actually give a $hit about, with a team we feel like has a LEGITIMATE chance at the title.

None of this artificial crap is going to do it.

 

[MU PIKE]

I hear their adding a student tailgate area this year since most don’t have spots on the lots around the stadium. I think that’s a good idea. I liked the concert on 20 th street last year.

 

[THUNDERGround]

I hear their adding a student tailgate area this year since most don’t have spots on the lots around the stadium. I think that’s a good idea. I liked the concert on 20 th street last year.

Im okay with that as long as its not jug band hee-haw line dancing, honkey tonk buuuuuuuulshit 90% of the season.

 

[RhinoD]

Im okay with that as long as its not jug band hee-haw line dancing, honkey tonk buuuuuuuulshit 90% of the season.

I'm with you, but we have to know the market... We are kind of in the "jug band hee-haw line dancing honkey tonk bullshit" capital of the world. lol

Put on the new Kendric Lamar album and gauge the reaction, then put on some Hank Jr. greatest hits and gauge the reaction... I can give you a good guess at which will be better received outside the stadium (by students and regular middle aged, half-in-the-bag, football fans.)

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

I'm with you, but we have to know the market... We are kind of in the "jug band hee-haw line dancing honkey tonk bullshit" capital of the world. lol

Put on the new Kendric Lamar album and gauge the reaction, then put on some Hank Jr. greatest hits and gauge the reaction... I can give you a good guess at which will be better received outside the stadium (by students and regular middle aged, half-in-the-bag, football fans.)

Yep. For all those who say Rap and Hip Hop are the more popular genres, they aren't paying attention to the crowd reactions when songs are played. Like it or not, the songs that get the most reactions from fans are Sweet Caroline, YMCA, Thunderstruck and similar popular tunes and stadium/rock anthems. Hell, even the players on the sidelines get into them - we've seen them first hand.

 

[RhinoD]

Yep. For all those who say Rap and Hip Hop are the more popular genres, they aren't paying attention to the crowd reactions when songs are played. Like it or not, the songs that get the most reactions from fans are Sweet Caroline, YMCA, Thunderstruck and similar popular tunes and stadium/rock anthems. Hell, even the players on the sidelines get into them - we've seen them first hand.

When the actual game is going on, Im all for some hip hop/metal/stadium classics/etc... Anything fast and loud really.

During the pregame tailgate concert, in Huntington WV, playing for a half-lit fanbase and random college kids... Give em Skynyrd, Hank Jr., Johnny Cash, etc.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

LOL! Asking for someone to coordinate our game day environment is unattainable? WOW! Must be something in the Schewey water because it seems every other school can do it. It doesn't cost one damn red cent to organize and come up with a plan. Not doing so is pure laziness and bush league. Come on man, lets not go over the ledge on this.

I encourage you to apply for the fan committee. Or hope you did. They need your wisdom.

The coordination problem comes from the need for advertising dollars because the revenue stream for MU athletics isn't very stable, due to an unstable economy (among other things I'll explain in a sec).
Because of this, a band who relies on, in game live cues, has to grapple with a legitimate signed advertising contract, regarding a quota of time and amount of advertising spent that has to be done each game.
This cannot be predicted because...live event.
Then, throw in a DJ who messes everything up.
This leaves very small amounts of time where the band CAN play, music CAN be played, and NOTHING is advertised.

Improving coordination, in my opinion, is going to require a reduction in advertising in general because it takes up so much space as it is, but to offset that, MU's going to have to increase ticket costs or do something to make up for it.
Throw in an already fickle fanbase, you have a very tight rope to walk for any of this to work.
I would imagine (and feel free to guess unless someone has legit evidence to claim) the amount of actual, in game live action of play would be maybe 12% (NFL is 8.3% so I am being VERY generous here).
The rest? Most likely advertising.

I will say, one thing that nobody has taken into account is that, over the past several years, Marshall HAS HAD TO ADVERTISE ENDLESSLY because of the literal peanuts payout our terrible TV contract gave us. It's also a bit of a miracle we remained consistent when we did, while others tanked.
It is a bright spot that MU is in the SBC who can re-negotiate their TV deal and increase the TV revenue, in which case MU may actually afford to give the rest some space...thus coordinate better and not needing to increase costs of other things.

Until then? Tough.
The only laziness is your inability to consider factors at work that are often overlooked.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

I am too, but this is a simple fix that can add to the game day experience. Acting like it isn't important just isn't the answer. These all can add to and create additional traditions and experience which bring enjoyment to those who come to the game. Most importantly. Coordinating these things would cost next to nothing.

I'm on the fence about the DJ, at least it's not helping currently, but Huff suggested it and who are we to deny an Alabama coach an idea?

MU did to try to establish the "We are..." chant at a specific time in the 2nd quarter and I think either the 3rd or 4th as well.

It wasn't too long ago, the band members, as a group, apart from the band itself, used to do The Wave and got the crowd into it...not sure if that was a band director thing or student band thing, but it was nice and added to the atmosphere.

Things have been tried in the past is what I'm saying.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Im not commenting on the play-by-play guy. I think Steve is the best in the business.

I’m saying we want a stadium hype man. Ok. we’ll instead of asking our PA announcer, whomever it’s been all these years , to act out of character we just brought in an ACTUAL stadium hype man. And people thought it was dumb.

My point is, why would people be all about the PA guy doing it, when hated Joe Toy who presumably would have done it much better? (I’m all for anyway we can get the crowd engaged, btw)

Fact of the matter is, we need quality football against opponents we actually give a $hit about, with a team we feel like has a LEGITIMATE chance at the title.

None of this artificial crap is going to do it.

The problem is Toy didn't need a microphone, but used one anyway.

It would be cool to give the DJ the hype job, because DJ's sorta do that in music venues to begin with.
Of course this one may need some major work to do this.
Let the PA call the game and advertise and let the DJ hype up the crowd and play music, if he even gets a chance to do so.

But of course, you revert back to blaming the schedule, which is funny since I said the exact same thing as to why people make excuses for our games to begin with.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

I'm with you, but we have to know the market... We are kind of in the "jug band hee-haw line dancing honkey tonk bullshit" capital of the world. lol

Put on the new Kendric Lamar album and gauge the reaction, then put on some Hank Jr. greatest hits and gauge the reaction... I can give you a good guess at which will be better received outside the stadium (by students and regular middle aged, half-in-the-bag, football fans.)

You, might be onto something here.

MU should consider surveying the fans and students with write-in suggestions for artists/bands (across all genres) and then have them vote for their favorites based on who got the most votes.

They did it with the Endzones and it worked.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

The coordination problem comes from the need for advertising dollars because the revenue stream for MU athletics isn't very stable, due to an unstable economy (among other things I'll explain in a sec).
Because of this, a band who relies on, in game live cues, has to grapple with a legitimate signed advertising contract, regarding a quota of time and amount of advertising spent that has to be done each game.
This cannot be predicted because...live event.
Then, throw in a DJ who messes everything up.
This leaves very small amounts of time where the band CAN play, music CAN be played, and NOTHING is advertised.

Improving coordination, in my opinion, is going to require a reduction in advertising in general because it takes up so much space as it is, but to offset that, MU's going to have to increase ticket costs or do something to make up for it.
Throw in an already fickle fanbase, you have a very tight rope to walk for any of this to work.
I would imagine (and feel free to guess unless someone has legit evidence to claim) the amount of actual, in game live action of play would be maybe 12% (NFL is 8.3% so I am being VERY generous here).
The rest? Most likely advertising.

I will say, one thing that nobody has taken into account is that, over the past several years, Marshall HAS HAD TO ADVERTISE ENDLESSLY because of the literal peanuts payout our terrible TV contract gave us. It's also a bit of a miracle we remained consistent when we did, while others tanked.
It is a bright spot that MU is in the SBC who can re-negotiate their TV deal and increase the TV revenue, in which case MU may actually afford to give the rest some space...thus coordinate better and not needing to increase costs of other things.

Until then? Tough.
The only laziness is your inability to consider factors at work that are often overlooked.

Bullshit! My goodness you would defend those in the Schewey if they joined ISIS.

it takes no money or effort to coordinate a game plan. They can allot announced promos, advertising etc. They know how long it takes the band to play a song, they know how long a scoreboard promo ad will be. It’s called preparation and organization. Neither of which we seem to do or have.
it’s not rocket science. Keep on making excuses. You must either work in the Schewey or have a buddy or two that does. Geez.
I really hope the fan committee addresses this issue. We’ll see what improvements are made in the coming seasons.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

You, might be onto something here.

MU should consider surveying the fans and students with write-in suggestions for artists/bands (across all genres) and then have them vote for their favorites based on who got the most votes.

They did it with the Endzones and it worked.

That might be the best idea you've had. Easily doable. Fan committee worthy.

 

[Jartard]

We can’t have a “fan committee”. Doesn’t everyone know that Perkins is the only true fan of Marshall and everyone else is always wrong?

 

[LynnSept8]

Yep. For all those who say Rap and Hip Hop are the more popular genres, they aren't paying attention to the crowd reactions when songs are played. Like it or not, the songs that get the most reactions from fans are Sweet Caroline, YMCA, Thunderstruck and similar popular tunes and stadium/rock anthems. Hell, even the players on the sidelines get into them - we've seen them first hand.

 

[LynnSept8]

Totally agree! The majority of fans at the games are long time fans .. the student participation is non existent so why cater to them when they would much rather be partying. Has MU hired a new band director? That’s another BIG problem!

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Bullshit! My goodness you would defend those in the Schewey if they joined ISIS.

it takes no money or effort to coordinate a game plan. They can allot announced promos, advertising etc. They know how long it takes the band to play a song, they know how long a scoreboard promo ad will be. It’s called preparation and organization. Neither of which we seem to do or have.
it’s not rocket science. Keep on making excuses. You must either work in the Schewey or have a buddy or two that does. Geez.
I really hope the fan committee addresses this issue. We’ll see what improvements are made in the coming seasons.

They can't advertise during play, nor can music be during play, the band has maybe a 5-15 second 1st down routine or to that nature while the game is ongoing...and as said, since it is live, you can't "allot" things and expect it to work all the time or any of the time.
You glossed over the real financial issue MU has had regarding CUSA and its sh*t TV deal, which has impacted the entire AD, which is also something MU cannot control.

I believe this is why there is virtually no room for non-advertising actions (like the band or DJ) to be presented in a coordinated manner.

While it would be nice to work in the Shewey and laugh at the supreme idiocy like you spew, as though some random dipsh*t has all the answers. I don't work there, and know nobody within said building.
Then again, when you're simply too dumb to examine other aspects besides the narrow tunnel vision you have, just resort to thinking someone works for the AD.

It is sad how badly you've not even thought of other factors in regards to why coordination is such a problem, but then again, you'd sell your daughters to ISIS if it meant you could win an argument on here.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Totally agree! The majority of fans at the games are long time fans .. the student participation is non existent so why cater to them when they would much rather be partying. Has MU hired a new band director? That’s another BIG problem!

It wasn't too long ago the demand the seating capacity be reduced in order to...wait for it...make a party deck for students and young alumni to be in order to increase presence at games.
Now it's...
Sure, let's toss out the wants of future generations of MU fans because who the fvck needs them?

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

That might be the best idea you've had. Easily doable. Fan committee worthy.

Just sent him the suggestion.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

They can't advertise during play, nor can music be during play, the band has maybe a 5-15 second 1st down routine or to that nature while the game is ongoing...and as said, since it is live, you can't "allot" things and expect it to work all the time or any of the time.
You glossed over the real financial issue MU has had regarding CUSA and its sh*t TV deal, which has impacted the entire AD, which is also something MU cannot control.

I believe this is why there is virtually no room for non-advertising actions (like the band or DJ) to be presented in a coordinated manner.

While it would be nice to work in the Shewey and laugh at the supreme idiocy like you spew, as though some random dipsh*t has all the answers. I don't work there, and know nobody within said building.
Then again, when you're simply too dumb to examine other aspects besides the narrow tunnel vision you have, just resort to thinking someone works for the AD.

It is sad how badly you've not even thought of other factors in regards to why coordination is such a problem, but then again, you'd sell your daughters to ISIS if it meant you could win an argument on here.

LOL! Any dolt knows you can't promote, play or speak while play is going on. How about before the game, halftime, after the game. Use the video board more for advertising - unless we can't figure that out. I know, it's everyone's fault but those in the Schewey.
I know your God is gone and you are butt hurt but if you can't see the need for better organization and coordination, then I don't know what to say. You seem to be the only one hell bent on trying to prove the rest of us wrong on this. Again, I hope you applied for the fan committee, you can set them all straight. LOL!

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

LOL! Any dolt knows you can't promote, play or speak while play is going on. How about before the game, halftime, after the game. Use the video board more for advertising - unless we can't figure that out. I know, it's everyone's fault but those in the Schewey.
I know your God is gone and you are butt hurt but if you can't see the need for better organization and coordination, then I don't know what to say. You seem to be the only one hell bent on trying to prove the rest of us wrong on this. Again, I hope you applied for the fan committee, you can set them all straight. LOL!

Why would anyone want all their ads to be played before the game when less of a crowd will be there versus say, 10 mins left in the 2nd quarter?
Halftime? That's for the band and there is advertising during it.
After the game!? Yeah, let's advertise when nobody is around to see it...
These advertisers are not dumb, but you are with thinking you'd get anyone to pay a good price for such things.
Also, the advertisers determine through legal documents, their parameters for advertising. It's the same with video boards or basically anything "bought" for MU.
Are you really this dense?
I never said it wasn't the Shewey's fault. I said there is no room for doing much, if anything, during the games because the need for money (among other things, CUSA's terrible TV deal which you still fail to address) affords no room.for it. MU is doing what is needed to keep ticket prices affordable for an economically depressed region. That goes beyond poor coordination and organization.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Why would anyone want all their ads to be played before the game when less of a crowd will be there versus say, 10 mins left in the 2nd quarter?
Halftime? That's for the band and there is advertising during it.
After the game!? Yeah, let's advertise when nobody is around to see it...
These advertisers are not dumb, but you are with thinking you'd get anyone to pay a good price for such things.
Also, the advertisers determine through legal documents, their parameters for advertising. It's the same with video boards or basically anything "bought" for MU.
Are you really this dense?
I never said it wasn't the Shewey's fault. I said there is no room for doing much, if anything, during the games because the need for money (among other things, CUSA's terrible TV deal which you still fail to address) affords no room.for it. MU is doing what is needed to keep ticket prices affordable for an economically depressed region. That goes beyond poor coordination and organization.

I deal with advertisers and trade publications all the time. It's not hard to negotiate terms. My point was, you can advertise before, during and after the game through stadium PA, Scoreboard, radio, etc. And really, most people don't give two shits about the ads or what companies we are promoting. They tune them out. I would actually pay more attention before the game. But hey, they can keep on doing what they do and it will remain an ADHD persons worst nightmare.

See you in the Joan this fall. You will be there, won’t you?

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

I deal with advertisers and trade publications all the time. It's not hard to negotiate terms. My point was, you can advertise before, during and after the game through stadium PA, Scoreboard, radio, etc. And really, most people don't give two shits about the ads or what companies we are promoting. They tune them out. I would actually pay more attention before the game. But hey, they can keep on doing what they do and it will remain an ADHD persons worst nightmare.

See you in the Joan this fall. You will be there, won’t you?

It's easy to negotiate when you have money to throw around...but when your TV deal (which you once more, fail to address), the local economy is poor, and the team doesn't walk on water, you have plenty working against you in terms of leverage. I doubt MU gets to relax sipping whiskey listening to bidding wars for advertising, especially with local businesses.

'And really, most people don't give two shits about the ads or what companies we are promoting. They tune them out'

So you're saying the ads ARE NOT a problem?
Wow, the entire board would like to have a word with you because not only has this been a problem, but entire threads have been brought up about the insane amounts of advertisements during games.
You really might be the dumbest person on this board and that includes Goddamn Sam.

Of course I'll be at the Joan. According to your idiocy, I'll be in the suites since I apparently work in the Shewey building...so while you're either melting into a steaming pile of garbage or freezing into a turd ice cream cone, I'll be enjoying whatever nice warm food they serve up there, in bathrooms you only wish you could piss in.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

It's easy to negotiate when you have money to throw around...but when your TV deal (which you once more, fail to address), the local economy is poor, and the team doesn't walk on water, you have plenty working against you in terms of leverage. I doubt MU gets to relax sipping whiskey listening to bidding wars for advertising, especially with local businesses.

'And really, most people don't give two shits about the ads or what companies we are promoting. They tune them out'

So you're saying the ads ARE NOT a problem?
Wow, the entire board would like to have a word with you because not only has this been a problem, but entire threads have been brought up about the insane amounts of advertisements during games.
You really might be the dumbest person on this board and that includes Goddamn Sam.

Of course I'll be at the Joan. According to your idiocy, I'll be in the suites since I apparently work in the Shewey building...so while you're either melting into a steaming pile of garbage or freezing into a turd ice cream cone, I'll be enjoying whatever nice warm food they serve up there, in bathrooms you only wish you could piss in.

See, this is your problem. You can't post anything without a snarkey remark or a personal jab at someone and then it all goes downhill. You have history of this and everyone knows it. That's why no one takes you seriously. It's a sign of immaturity. Not sure if you are trying to be a badass or just that insecure but, I'll leave you with this and I hate to stoop to your level -

If I am the dumbest, you must be the biggest piece of shit on the board and I'd say more than a few on here would agree.
I am surprised you didn't apply for the presidents job or the AD since you seem to have all the answers. My goodness, your arrogance is funny and sad at the same time.

BTW, What's Hammy doing these days? Figured you would know since your lips seem planted on his backside a good bit.

Now, wasn't this fun? We'll agree to disagree. See you at the Joan, Hoops and The Cam.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

See, this is your problem. You can't post anything without a snarkey remark or a personal jab at someone and then it all goes downhill. You have history of this and everyone knows it. That's why no one takes you seriously. It's a sign of immaturity. Not sure if you are trying to be a badass or just that insecure but, I'll leave you with this and I hate to stoop to your level -

If I am the dumbest, you must be the biggest piece of shit on the board and I'd say more than a few on here would agree.
I am surprised you didn't apply for the presidents job or the AD since you seem to have all the answers. My goodness, your arrogance is funny and sad at the same time.

BTW, What's Hammy doing these days? Figured you would know since your lips seem planted on his backside a good bit.

Now, wasn't this fun? We'll agree to disagree. See you at the Joan, Hoops and The Cam.

The glaring reality for you is someone you never met, got you to go insane on an obscure college football message board. Nothing personal was said to you, from me, as I merely asked if you were dense and was critical of your "experience with advertising" which included your belief that they would want to advertise when the crowd isn't there.
While I merely dished back your presumptions about me and you didn't like them, and considering your last post literally had zero substance in terms of the topic at hand, which is a sign of immaturity and stupidity, I shall be brief...

It's an issue that is beyond "just coordinating." There are limits to what can be done because MU is limited in what they can do. This is all money driven and MU doesn't have much of a reliable source of it. Whatever free space during games there are, gets occupied by the need for advertising because of said unreliable revenue streams. Add in the three other sources of entertainment (DJ, PA, and band) and you have what you see.

I will add, as I had before but you can't read, there is hope there CAN be more room for coordination as MU is in the SBC, where they'll be on ESPN and more accessible more often.
This means MU could actually entertain offers for advertising as they'd be more valued, or can simply afford to have more open space during games because (hopefully) their new TV contract gives them more money...thus not such desperation with taking anything they can get.

I think Spears is a solid hire and can work this to MU's advantage.

I guess you and I shall see.

 

[therd1]

Best PA guy ever? Dave Zinkoff ---Philadelphia 76er's. I really enjoyed Bud Dailey when he did Herd Basketball games back in the 70's. "It's basketball time in Herd Heaven."