Trumps going to hit a home run with this any day. Then on to the wall. The great solar wall that is.
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Trumps going to hit a home run with this any day. Then on to the wall. The great solar wall that is.
Trumps going to hit a home run with this any day. Then on to the wall. The great solar wall that is.
Good question GK, but a difficult one to come to a majority answer. Personally, I get that everyone should be covered, but at the same time, I've worked every day since 1978, and I see able bodied people sitting idle nursing the system, so it's hard for me to justify giving them free everything. Granted, some folks do need handouts, but I feel we need to somehow determine how to weed out those who continually milk the system. Those are the ones that ruin it for most. Stop rewarding laziness and women who make money on basically manufacturing kids.
true story . . . as a kid, we were fairly poor. i grew up in the mid/late 70's and 80's and my dad's annual income was in the $18K neighborhood when i graduated high school, mom was a stay-at-homer to raise us brats. anyhoo, we'd go visit their friends once every week, give or take, and, as we'd pass this same house (much nicer than where we lived) each time, my dad would always have something to say about paying this guys salary/benefits/etc. i always thought, "dang, if it weren't for that prick, we might not be so darn poor." later in my late teens/20's i finally figured out the guy was on ssi disability, one of those common west virginia cases where the guy knew how to play the system to get it so he didn't have to work.It's interesting to watch beggars taunt and sh!t-talk the people paying for all their free stuff.
I mean, I don't expect you losers to write me a thank you note, or be able to claim you as a dependent on my taxes, but at least have the decency to accept your handouts without causing a commotion.
richest nation on earth? lol, not even top 10. with our national debt, not sure how we're even sniffing the top 10.Serious question...should healthcare be only for those who can afford it? In the richest nation on earth, do we owe it to the citizens to produce a system that provides care to everyone, or should there be winners and losers based on ones lot in life?
So the question remains...should people be locked out of healthcare...many times meaning death or low quality of life...because they are less affluent?
Just saying NO is the easy answer. Nancy Reagan taught you that in the early 80's. What is your opinion on how to move forward, and change the system to fairly accommodate the outstanding citizens of the country you call home? I want a serious opinion, without simply saying to continue with ACA or stealing from Bernie.The answer is easy. No.
my dad's annual income was in the $18K neighborhood
as a kid, we were fairly poor. i grew up in the mid/late 70's and 80's and my dad's annual income was in the $18K neighborhood
I'm pretty sure you don't support me.It's interesting to watch beggars taunt and sh!t-talk the people paying for all their free stuff.
I mean, I don't expect you losers to write me a thank you note, or be able to claim you as a dependent on my taxes, but at least have the decency to accept your handouts without causing a commotion.
what was it in 1990 when i graduated high school?i'm not going to say you weren't poor because we don't know the whole story, but unless your had 23 siblings, you were way below the poverty threshold.
$18,000 in 1978 is almost $70,000 today. the poverty threshold in 1978 for a family of four was $6,200.
worked in a local paper factory that ended up going bankrupt. he lost his retirement.What did your dad do for a living?
richest nation on earth? lol, not even top 10. with our national debt, not sure how we're even sniffing the top 10.
you said richest nation on earth. what's the net worth of each of those you mentioned. don't forget, we doubled our national debt over the past 8 years.We have the largest economy in the world...by far. Our GDP is 19.4 trillion with China next at 11.8 trillion. Hell...our gdp is 25% of the entire world's gdp combined. The individually held wealth in our nation far exceed the rest of the world. Our individually held wealth is nearly 49 billion. China is next with at 17 billion. Our national debt doesn't detract from the fact that our government has access to way more revenue than any other nation in the world.
You believing that we aren't in the top 10 is as naive as believing you're richer than Jim Justice because you have less debt than him.
what was it in 1990 when i graduated high school?
family of 5.
hell, we were rich af then. can't believe my mom scammed social services out of all that free cheese!$14,140
$18,000 less all the dough your old man spent on porn, hookers, booze, and weed... shit, you was poor.hell, we were rich af then. can't believe my mom scammed social services out of all that free cheese!
you said richest nation on earth. what's the net worth of each of those you mentioned. don't forget, we doubled our national debt over the past 8 years.
i get ya. there's several websites that disagree and indicate those small countries are richer, but you make a good point.I'm assuming that since you brought up national debt that you were on the same page as me and talking about governments. Of course the small population oil rich countries have higher wealth per individual, but collectively no no other country has the purchasing wealth as the US. Let's put it another way...what economy do you fear the most...Leichtenstein or Quatar with GDPs per capita of $139,000 and $130,000 respectively (ranked first and second in world), or China with a per capita GDP of a little over $14,000 (ranked 112)?
I stand by my statement that the US is the wealthiest nation in the world.
Serious question...should healthcare be only for those who can afford it? In the richest nation on earth, do we owe it to the citizens to produce a system that provides care to everyone, or should there be winners and losers based on ones lot in life?
Yep that sounds like West Virginia.Of course not, and that has never nor will it ever be the case in the United States. To argue this is the position of those who want a more market-based system is dishonest and misleading.
Medicaid and medicare exist for a reason. There are people who, by no fault of their own, are incapable of providing health insurance for themselves. Because of this, we as a country have agreed to provide a safety net for those truly in need. No one wants to take Medicaid away from them. But there are many, many abusers of the system, and the Medicaid expansion under Obama mostly expands coverage for the abusers. Those really in need were already covered.
My next door neighbor is an ER physician. Yesterday we were both out working on our lawns and started talking politics. He's a brown, Trump-voting second generation immigrant. He was bitching about all the people who come to the ER for minor issues in an ambulance multiple times per month. He said all of them have smart phones. All of them have the latest tennis shoes. Most of them smoke multiple packs of cigarettes per day. And they're all on Medicaid.
Able-bodied, going to the ER in an ambulance because their "back hurts." That ambulance ride alone costs around $1000. Tell me how this is sustainable? These people need to be purged from the system to fend for themselves.
worked in a local paper factory that ended up going bankrupt. he lost his retirement.
i can't even imagine trying to raise a family of 5 on $33K a year now.In 1990 he was making the equivalent of $16 per hour.
Yep that sounds like West Virginia.
i can't even imagine trying to raise a family of 5 on $33K a year now.
Yet half of American workers are doing just that.
Of course not, and that has never nor will it ever be the case in the United States. To argue this is the position of those who want a more market-based system is dishonest and misleading.
Medicaid and medicare exist for a reason. There are people who, by no fault of their own, are incapable of providing health insurance for themselves. Because of this, we as a country have agreed to provide a safety net for those truly in need. No one wants to take Medicaid away from them. But there are many, many abusers of the system, and the Medicaid expansion under Obama mostly expands coverage for the abusers. Those really in need were already covered.
My next door neighbor is an ER physician. Yesterday we were both out working on our lawns and started talking politics. He's a brown, Trump-voting second generation immigrant. He was bitching about all the people who come to the ER for minor issues in an ambulance multiple times per month. He said all of them have smart phones. All of them have the latest tennis shoes. Most of them smoke multiple packs of cigarettes per day. And they're all on Medicaid.
Able-bodied, going to the ER in an ambulance because their "back hurts." That ambulance ride alone costs around $1000. Tell me how this is sustainable? These people need to be purged from the system to fend for themselves.
That is a lower wage where I live.In 1990 he was making the equivalent of $16 per hour.
Like I said I earlier I'm pretty sure you don't support me.You trying to be elitist now, beggar?
Of course that represents the experience of an emergency room physician, especially in an empoverished area. But is that a fair representation of the problem? I don't think so. There are way too many people who are not scamming the system and are working that can't afford healthcare because of cost. I'm with you on the able bodied people who are abusing the system. But do we indict every hardworking low waged individual because of those abusing the system? Health insurance has become out of reach for many Americans. The average family premium for Obamacare is a little over $1000 monthly without subsidies. The average annual out of pocket/deductible was something like $6000. Try paying for that on a lie paying job. The system is broke. It needs a major overhaul.
Awww come on Mitch is bringing the boys back. Who needs recess we have an easy healthcare situation to deal with first. Should just take a minute......This game's already over. Everybody gets healthcare.
All that's left is trying to deter those who won't pay from clogging up the doctors' offices and ERs with piddly runny noses and headaches.