Gant - Patriots
Brady - Jags
Bee - Redskins
Of course we want all three to do well, but who has the best chance ?
Brady - Jags
Bee - Redskins
Of course we want all three to do well, but who has the best chance ?
Who has the best change to make the team ???
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Gant should have a fairly long career; Brady will do well, probably bounce around a little; Bee’s career will be interesting to watch develop. And I hope Moody can put some things together.
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Sad to say, none of the above.
I'm not knocking the NFL, if you can make money, make money, but the NFL sells this "pre-season" BS every year. They take late round draftees and UDFAs, dress them up in the same uniforms as the real teams, and people buy it. Its fine, the players make some $$ and the owners make some $$. $$ are good. But understand that the vast majority of these people will be long gone when the real players play real games come September. Of course, somebody can name a FEW exceptions, but the chance of making the NFL as an UDFA is very slim.
I'm not knocking the NFL, if you can make money, make money, but the NFL sells this "pre-season" BS every year. They take late round draftees and UDFAs, dress them up in the same uniforms as the real teams, and people buy it. Its fine, the players make some $$ and the owners make some $$. $$ are good. But understand that the vast majority of these people will be long gone when the real players play real games come September. Of course, somebody can name a FEW exceptions, but the chance of making the NFL as an UDFA is very slim.
I DOUBT YOU ARE AWARE......but Sad Sam as a PSL owner for tickets of the Carolina Panthers [since 1996] we are FORCED to pay for preseason exhibitions. The two home contests are part of our Season Ticket package. Up until last season...the preseason games cost the SAME as regular season games. But the trick last year is the Panthers lowered the preseason games cost-----increased the regular season games ticket pricing, therefore, they got their SAME AMOUNT OF $$$$$$.
The Rich get Richer...just like Democrats in Congress!!!!!
I saw TOM BRADY in the second half against the Panthers when he was a rookie. I said...."Dang, that guy is really good. Well, we all know the rest of the story!"
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The answer to the question... Without launching into a diatribe about slim mathematical odds, or the garbage NFL preseason... Is Brady.
Gant is with a great organization but Brady has a very weak depth chart ahead of him. If Brady shows any flashes in the preseason he will have a chance to hang on as a practice squad guy this year and maybe make the team at some point... The Jags receiver group on the NFL roster is - DeDe Westbrook, Marquise Lee, Keelan Cole, DJ Chark and Chris Conley - Not exactly the 1999 Rams (Bruce, Holt, Hakim, Proehl)
Gant is with a great organization but Brady has a very weak depth chart ahead of him. If Brady shows any flashes in the preseason he will have a chance to hang on as a practice squad guy this year and maybe make the team at some point... The Jags receiver group on the NFL roster is - DeDe Westbrook, Marquise Lee, Keelan Cole, DJ Chark and Chris Conley - Not exactly the 1999 Rams (Bruce, Holt, Hakim, Proehl)
Heading into his tenth season as Marshall's coach, Doc has only had two of his recruits drafted. That includes JUCOs and graduate transfers.
Seems like Doc's best players are NFL talents who can't stay out of jail long enough to graduate, mixed with borderline talents who are forced to play out of position due to a personnel deficiency and never get the time and development at their natural position to make it on the next level.
Seems like Doc's best players are NFL talents who can't stay out of jail long enough to graduate, mixed with borderline talents who are forced to play out of position due to a personnel deficiency and never get the time and development at their natural position to make it on the next level.
I hoped this wouldn't be an anti Doc twist. It was a simple question about the players chances NOW.
P.S. we have no MU players in the NBA
P.S. we have no MU players in the NBA
That’s an almost unbelievable stat. If opposing coaches recruiting the same players knew that . . .
Alabama State, a school which has recently gotten its teeth kicked in while playing in the worst FCS conference in the country, has had two players drafted in the last three seasons.
Marshall has had two in the last six years.
Besides that being false, making an NBA roster is far harder than making an NFL roster.
There are about 350 teams playing basketball at the top level. There are about 125 teams playing football at the top level. Basketball has far more competition in terms of getting players on an NBA/NFL roster.
NBA teams take about 14 players. NFL teams have 53. That allows for far more opportunities in the NFL. And that doesn’t even touch upon that basketball is a far more universal sport than football, so competition from overseas athletes is far higher in basketball, further limiting opportunities.
Correct. But I think the point is that the Doc haters are generally the same crew as the Danny worshipers. Whiteside was three coaches ago.
Brady. Very little talent in front of him.
Gant making it wouldn't entirely surprise me. Right coach, right system, right kind of player.
Gant making it wouldn't entirely surprise me. Right coach, right system, right kind of player.
As long as we win, it doesn't matter to me who we get.
Interesting how Doc had such a low number of players who made the NFL but managed to win more than other schools with more NFL caliber players.
Interesting how Doc had such a low number of players who made the NFL but managed to win more than other schools with more NFL caliber players.
Well, I could be wrong, but I don't believe we have had a single criminal issue with any player recruited in the 2016-2018 classes knock on wood. Hell, of that group we only have 10 that were NFL eligible, and of those 10, at least 5 signed UDFA deals. I expect the draft drought to change over the next few years as well, but players drafted also isn't a good indicator of player development either as a large proportion of the recruits we land are mostly 2-star or 3-star/5.5 rating players. Recruits at that level are considered marginal NFL caliber recruits from the beginning.
That's one of the bigger issues - some of the NFL-quality players we do see come through leave at the first opportunity, regardless of how good that opportunity might be.
I swear, they have that wall with all the helmets on it of MU players who played in the NFL; they ought to have a graveyard out back next to a dumpster with the names of all the people who left school early and didn't make it.
It's not "interesting" when you inject some logic into your thought process.
Football isn't a one participant sport. There are 11 players on each side of the ball at one time. That means 22 starters on both sides of the ball not counting specialists. If one team has a stud (NFL caliber) each year but the other team has 21 out of 22 better players as starters each year, which team do you think is better and will win more games? The one team may put more players in the NFL, but the other team will win far more often.
Reality is that Doc's recruiting classes, overall, have been one of the top one or two by average rankings in the conference during his tenure. It isn't surprising that his teams beat conference schools more. It is surprising that his program has struggled getting guys drafted considering his classes are better than just about every other C-USA school.
Let's look at NFL players by school drafted since 2012 (allowing Doc two years to develop the players he inherited and time to recruit some of his classes):
UAB: 3
UNT: 0
La Tech: 12
Southern Miss: 9
UTSA: 2
Rice: 5
UTEP: 2
MTSU: 3
FIU: 5
FAU: 7
Charlotte: 3
ODU: 2
Western Kentucky: 10
Marshall: 2
Thank god for North Texas or else Marshall would be last.
It is a good indicator when you consider that Doc's classes, on average during his tenure, have been one of the top 1-2 in the conference. Sure, he is getting those 2-star and 3-star kids, but his kids are better coming out of high school than almost every other team in the conference. Those other C-USA schools also are getting marginal NFL caliber recruits from the beginning . . . with less talent than even Doc's guys. Yet almost every other conference school is doing a better job getting their guys drafted.
I think Doc's recruiting classes are ranked deceptively high because of all the kids he gets credit for that have high rankings but huge warts and never make it into a set of shoulderpads..
The same can be said for several players across several programs in every conference in America.
Do you think the lack of development with the players Doc recruits is the main reason these guys are not getting drafted?
Right, but in this case it was specifically about why our recruiting classes are ranked so high, but translate to so few NFL players.
I'm telling you, if Stew Butler had just waited a few years to commit a hate crime, he could have been Kareem Hunt before Kareem Hunt was Kareem Hunt.
It's not fair for me to really say without having more knowledge of the situation. There is a very strong pattern though, and it is concerning.
It could be a lot of things . . .
Taking higher ranked recruits helps your recruiting numbers, but if they aren't good learners, can't get or stay eligible, leave prematurely, etc., it will hurt their NFL chances. A trend of guys leaving early and not getting drafted is a bad sign.
Pure speculation, but relationships between college coaches and NFL front office/scouts does actually play somewhat of a factor in this stuff, regardless of what Mike Leach just said. If a head coach who has a good track record of his guys being contributors in the NFL goes to bat for somebody, it helps. If a head coach has relationships with front office guys in the NFL and gives strong recommendations, it helps. I have no idea if there are any relationships with Marshall's staff and NFL scouts/front office other than the normal "Sure, come watch video any day this week, we will stick a GA in there with you to get started."
Bad combine/senior day numbers can be a factor (ask Brady). I have no explanation as to how he was not physically ready to go for the combine - that could be an agent's bad recommendation for a trainer, the kid's fault, Marshall's staff's influence, or a mix of those.
But to have one of the top two recruiting class averages in the conference during the tenure, to be in the top four in current C-USA teams in terms of record during the tenure, and to be next to last in draftees is very, very odd.
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I can't figure Brady out. He ran and caught balls all over NC State, a decent P5 team. Then, has a combine like that. That is terrible. How did catch and run all over NC State , but he runs a 4.76? That's terrible.
Look at our championships or lack there of. Top of the recruiting classes year in and year out, but only one championship? You would think we would have many more.
Yeah...you've figured it all out.
Mel Kiper goes out and spends a solid week compiling the number of conference championships a program has to measure their draft prospects...
I was talking about our good(on paper) recruiting classes and lack of championships. We don't get guys drafted nor do we win championships. But, we are the top every year recruiting(supposedly).
Sorry for getting back on topic, but I think Gant has a very good chance. I base this on his ability to be an impact special teams player who offers the flexibility of being a situational safety with good upside.
Albert didn't make it on the Ravens because they needed a linebacker, but his effort and value on special teams stood out along with his intangibles. I think the same could happen for Gant. When you say how many UDFAs make it, I ask how many walk ons become 1st team all conference by their junior year? The kid has a special something.
Albert didn't make it on the Ravens because they needed a linebacker, but his effort and value on special teams stood out along with his intangibles. I think the same could happen for Gant. When you say how many UDFAs make it, I ask how many walk ons become 1st team all conference by their junior year? The kid has a special something.
Lack of championships aren't because of talent. IMO coaching and development at Marshall has been on a steep decline since we won in 2014.
Cato calling audibles at the line in 2013 and 2014 is a large part of that success. Maybe it was Litton that held us back, but I haven't noticed the same Doc since then either.
How do you have a 4/5 star recruit in Yulee that was wanted at Bama and a host of other schools and he barely sees the field at a CUSA school.
Sad Sad Sam.....I recall when Bob was the head football coach....Marshall annually had guys going to the NFL.
BASKETBALL....The NBA is more difficult to have players drafted because the squads are comprised of 14 players, compared to over 50 on NFL teams. Foreign players are drafted to most NBA teams...NOT the case in the NFL!
The question was: "How many players from Marshall are CURRENTLY playing on an NBA team? The answer was ZERO. WRONG! Whiteside plays at Miami......not matter if his coach was Cam Henderson or Greg White or Dan D or whomever!
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I agree 100% on YULEE.....where has he gone wrong with Doc & the staff?
HerdZilla22 in Charlotte
This answer is not necessarily about Yulee, but about 4/5 star Bama recruits in general.
Five-star athletes make it big in college more often than lesser-star athletes, but that doesn't mean they are a lock. I remember a five-star OT for Penn State who never played a meaningful down. Never injured, just wasn't that good. Walk-ons were ahead of him. I can tell you definitively that he wouldn't have played at Marshall, either.
I'm not saying Yulee can't play. But it's time everyone stopped judging him by his high-school accolades. If you think he should be playing because of what he's done on the field for Marshall, then sing his praises. But it doesn't matter anymore that he was an Alabama recruit, or that he once had a whole galaxy of stars.
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I dont know . You can tell he is good. I think doc plays favorites or something
Steep decline? Minus 2016 there hasn't been a steep decline. MU has always been in contention for the East, unlike the previous regime.
As the narrative has been since he got here...its not Doc coaching the good players, its the players ignoring his calls and doing it themselves.
Also, you wouldn't have had such backlash from players when certain coaches got fired.
Once more, its just a Doc hating comment from the fools who wish Pruett would come back...and get mad at Hamrick each day Pennington isn't somehow more involved than he already is.
MU was in a conference with few willing to toss money and make everyone win. Now MU is in one with some deep pocketed peers and is needing to contend every season instead of coast.
Get over it.
MU is not in the worst position it has or could be in...but somehow this eludes you.
